Pro Life or Pro Choice?

[ChristineES]

I am pro-life, but it is complicated, as well. I can't condemn someone who was raped who doesn't want to have a child by her rapist, or if a child was molested, too. Also, the life of the mother has to come into consideration. But, for the most part, I am pro-life.

 

[MD]

I'm pro choice for the first trimester, after that I'm pro-life.

To me anything after is murder.

 

[Runewolf1973]

I am pro-life, but it is complicated, as well. I can't condemn someone who was raped who doesn't want to have a child by her rapist, or if a child was molested, too. Also, the life of the mother has to come into consideration. But, for the most part, I am pro-life.

I would have to agree with this point of view.

 

[sun rise]

My mother had an abortion when they were illegal and it influences my vote. I believe women should have the right to choose until viability (~22 weeks) or so. I also believe we should help women choose to keep the baby with all kinds of help as needed.

There is a long tradition of differences in the time of ensoulment. My own belief is that it occurs at the time the fetus is viable outside the womb.

The overall picture is: it's better not to have sex before marriage. If you are going to have sex, it's better to take birth control than get pregnant. If you get pregnant it's better to have the baby than an abortion. But I don't think men should make this decision - it's up to women to decide.

 

[s2a]

When men retain an equal opportunity of pregnancy every time heterosexual couples copulate, only then will I reconsider the legal notion that I MUST bear the child within my "whatever", or face legal punishment and retribution.

When that day arrives...

 

[ShivaFan]

Pro-Life (of course).

 

[Phil25]

My mother had an abortion when they were illegal and it influences my vote. I believe women should have the right to choose until viability (~22 weeks) or so. I also believe we should help women choose to keep the baby with all kinds of help as needed.

There is a long tradition of differences in the time of ensoulment. My own belief is that it occurs at the time the fetus is viable outside the womb.

The overall picture is: it's better not to have sex before marriage. If you are going to have sex, it's better to take birth control than get pregnant. If you get pregnant it's better to have the baby than an abortion. But I don't think men should make this decision - it's up to women to decide.

Men should have a influence. After all it was a all male SCOTUS, that allowed abortion in Roe vs. Wade.

 

[Bunyip]

I am pro-life, but it is complicated, as well. I can't condemn someone who was raped who doesn't want to have a child by her rapist, or if a child was molested, too. Also, the life of the mother has to come into consideration. But, for the most part, I am pro-life.

I think that is the view of most pro-choice people. There is a false dichotomy at work here, the pro-choice movement is also pro-life just as you are.

 

[s2a]

I think that is the view of most pro-choice people. There is a false dichotomy at work here, the pro-choice movement is also pro-life just as you are.

Just to echo that sentiment expressed above, I have yet to encounter anyone over the last 35 years that is "Pro Abortion".

Few of us would ever choose "cancer" as a woman's "choice" from which to decide a preference of outcome. I mean, doh.

At what point, ever, do we choose to allow "government" to dictate as a matter of law, how many, if any children are permissible within a family?

Communist regimes seek that imposable, punishable outcome today.

The concept and ideal of choice is about as democratic as any other ideal available.

Choice means...opposed to that? Then don't do that. Period.

All other measures remove any/all personal choice, and impose lawful restrictions, punishments, and community shaming.

Is that really where we seek to go?

Or is it time again to impose religious intolerance, beliefs, and punishment upon women?

You know. like the Taliban?

 

[Glaurung]

Although as a Catholic I oppose it in all circumstances, in my personal opinion I think there is grey to be acknowledged in extreme cases such as in medical emergency.

Beyond that, it's the murder of a human being; pure and simple.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Women are naturally endowed with this choice. No one can stop them from aborting, and no one can force them to carry to term. Laws should be humble and be silent in awe of this power of mothers. If babies were born in glass tubes it would be a different story. Shall we make a law that says each person is required to breath a minimal amount of air? How about a law requiring people to sleep at least six hours per day? Without a law, people might stop breathing! They might stop sleeping!

 

[Sees]

I am Pro-Life for me and Pro-Choice for you

 

[Valjean]

I don't know what to think about this honestly.

I knew this one lady who liked to sleep around with random guys a lot. She got pregnant 3 times and each time she just went and got an abortion. She was literally using it as a form of birth control. She just didn't want to have to deal with having a kid. It think it's sickening and deplorable.

Did you encourage her to get an IUD, Patch, NuvaRing or Depo shot? Why did she reject these options?

Pro-Life. Many are glad their mom didn't have the choice.
Obv, rapes, etc, should be an exception, or should it?

Why would rape be an exception? The religious view is that abortion is a crime against the foetus. How the foetus came to be is irrelevant.

Millions of babies who were aborted could have been the next Edison or Einstein etc.

Individuals who are of benefit to their Planet and society are rare. Toxic individuals are common. Do the maths.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Did you encourage her to get an IUD, Patch, NuvaRing or Depo shot? Why did she reject these options?

I didn't know her that well. I knew her though some other people. It seemed she just didn't care either way.

 

[Thruve]

Did you encourage her to get an IUD, Patch, NuvaRing or Depo shot? Why did she reject these options?

Why would rape be an exception? The religious view is that abortion is a crime against the foetus. How the foetus came to be is irrelevant.

Individuals who are of benefit to their Planet and society are rare. Toxic individuals are common. Do the maths.

Religion aside, It doesn't take a genius to realize many who become pregnant after being raped don't want the baby, for a handful of reasons. Not everyone has an opinion for pro life based on religion, and as I said, that'd be one of my exceptions.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Pro-choice with restrictions. Im against late term and procedures involving any type of pain to a fetus
of which it's nervous system registers pain. Rape and extenuating circumstances should be left to the mother to decide or one who can act on the mothers behalf.

 

[choiceone]

Women are naturally endowed with this choice. No one can stop them from aborting, and no one can force them to carry to term. Laws should be humble and be silent in awe of this power of mothers. If babies were born in glass tubes it would be a different story. Shall we make a law that says each person is required to breath a minimal amount of air? How about a law requiring people to sleep at least six hours per day? Without a law, people might stop breathing! They might stop sleeping!

I agree. The truth is that, even if the US were to make abortion completely illegal, women could still stop their pregnancies by committing suicide successfully, as suicide is legal in all 50 states, as long as one is successful at it.

And because the majority of zygotes never become blastocysts that achieve an established implantation, and 15-20% of known pregnancies end in miscarriage, it seems pretty obvious to me that a pregnancy is an offered opportunity to develop potential life into the life of a person, not the presence in one's body of a complete person already. The fact that an embryo or pre-viable fetus can't live without being biologically attached to the woman does not suggest its being a separate person.

I guess I'm just someone who understands and actually agrees with the Supreme Court decisions and doesn't find the critiques of them very compelling.

 

[Sunstone]

Something that is curious to me: In the US there are about 3,700 abortions per day, and there is quite a lot of outrage about it. But worldwide, about 19,000 children die of starvation each day, and that fact seems to generate much less outrage than the 3,700 abortions. For that and other reasons, I'm not sure "Pro-Life" is as accurate a term as "Anti-Abortion" in at least very many cases. Although, to be fair, I'm sure there are some people who are genuinely Pro-Life.

 

[Sunstone]

All else being equal, I think people who have the most information about a given situation are in a better position to make a wise choice than people who have significantly less information about the situation. And I would expect that the person who usually has the most information about a given abortion is the pregnant woman herself. For that and other reasons, I believe she's the best placed person to make a wise decision about whether to have an abortion.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

dat logic

So if my mom had a choice back then, Its not like I would have ever known had she aborted me O-O

Yep, same with everyone. I'm still not sure how that is a bad thing.