proof of the true God?

[Sanzbir]

all i see is the sun

Munkh Khukh Tengger!!

 

[shunyadragon]

Then how can you believe what you do not know, and how can you trust what you do not know or even hear?

We get to ask Him when we get there

in the mean time.......choose

substance first?
or Spirit?

if you choose substance.....then Man is a mystery with no purpose
or resolve

Even though I am a theist this is a bad either/or 'argument from ignorance' based on an agenda of which there is sound basis.

 

[shunyadragon]

If it's that amazing why don't you share some proof?

No proof either way. Proofs are pooooof! claim

 

[Thief]

Even though I am a theist this is a bad either/or 'argument from ignorance' based on an agenda of which there is sound basis.

yeah well......science does insist.....
Cause and effect

can't have creation without a Creator

unless substance CAN self create
AND
jump into motion under it's own will

mind you......an entire universe is in motion

 

[shunyadragon]

yeah well......science does insist.....
Cause and effect

Science is great concerning the knowledge of our existence, but beyond this philosophical/theological claims are based on belief and faith. Cause and effect and the outcomes explain very well the nature of physical existence.

can't have creation without a Creator.

True, but it is possible that our physical existence is eternal without a Creator.

unless substance CAN self create
AND
jump into motion under it's own will.

It is possible that natural law and our physical existence is eternal, and a Creator is not necessary. Arguments for a Creator are intensely circular and self serving of a theist agenda.

I believe in God, but I will have no part in these ancient circular arguments designed to only justify what one believes.

mind you......an entire universe is in motion

Obvious as the sky is Carolina Blue at noon on the fourth of July on a clear day. No help here.

Self justifying sound bites do not amount to a coherent argument.

 

[Thief]

it is possible that our physical existence is eternal without a Creator.

and with no One in charge.......an Almighty
we leave this mortal coil and plunge into chaos

 

[Thief]

No help here.

you're not looking for help

neither am I

but we will need it after the last breath

as it is written......you must be born again
literally

someone must bear you up
teach you the language
the territory and the scheme of things

otherwise......
chaos

 

[shunyadragon]

and with no One in charge.......an Almighty
we leave this mortal coil and plunge into chaos

Actually this is an assertion without supporting evidence. The nature of our physical existence is as it is whether God exists or not. Making hypothetical sound bites as to what our physical existence would be without God is not a coherent argument.

Actually Chaos Theory is great!, because it explains the cause and effect outcomes of our physical existence without randomness based on fractal math.

 

[Thief]

Actually this is an assertion without supporting evidence. The nature of our physical existence is as it is whether God exists or not. Making hypothetical sound bites as to what our physical existence would be without God is not a coherent argument.

Actually Chaos Theory is great!, because it explains the cause and effect outcomes of our physical existence without randomness based on fractal math.

and with 7billion souls to choose from......

why choose from mediocrity?.....when the best is at hand

 

[shunyadragon]

you're not looking for help

neither am I

but we will need it after the last breath

as it is written......you must be born again
literally

someone must bear you up
teach you the language
the territory and the scheme of things

Again hypothetical sound bites based on the fool's quest for Pascal's argument are not meaningful nor coherent.

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otherwise......
chaos[/QUOTE]

Again . . .

Actually Chaos Theory is great!, because it explains the cause and effect outcomes of our physical existence without randomness based on fractal math.

Your mythical chaos is the fool's argument from ignorance.

 

[shunyadragon]

and with 7billion souls to choose from......

why choose from mediocrity?.....when the best is at hand

. . . and there are millions of contradictory choices as to what is the 'best at hand.'

 

[Thief]

Again hypothetical sound bites based on the fool's quest for Pascal's argument are not meaningful nor coherent.

Actually Chaos Theory is great!, because it explains the cause and effect outcomes of our physical existence without randomness based on fractal math.

Your mythical chaos is the fool's argument from ignorance.

there are two levels of ignorance

they who have not heard......are ignorant
they who CHOOSE to ignore......are profoundly ignorant

 

[Thief]

. . . and there are millions of contradictory choices as to what is the 'best at hand.'

and that's fine.....if you are the One making the choice

 

[shunyadragon]

they who have not heard......are ignorant
they who CHOOSE to ignore......are profoundly ignorant

Considering millions of possible choices, and claims to choose from you are demonstrating your profound ignorance based on a narrow religious agenda of either/or 'my way or the highway,' along with millions of other contradictory claims that assert you are condemned, because you do not agree with them!

 

[shunyadragon]

and that's fine.....if you are the One making the choice

I am not the 'One?' making the choice, and neither are you.

 

[Thief]

my way or the highway,'

nay.......

you will stand alongside others who think and feel as you do

how else to be happy?
how else to be fair?

 

[Thief]

I am not the 'One?' making the choice, and neither are you.

we will be subject to the choices we have made

 

[Nakosis]

thought proves nothing and misplaced faith kills. faith that the bus wouldn't run you over and it does proves what?

If the bus kills you, it was God's will. If the bus driver sees and stops, that was also God's will. If everything that happens is God's will, how are you going to prove it's not?

 

[Phantasman]

the question isn't whether or not there is a God is it? besides if someone worships a piece of carved wood as a god then there is a god, doesn't mean its the true God. so there's your proof there is a god or gods.

Gods are acknowledged through hope and faith. So is money and power. It's simply a choice of what makes life more fulfilling.

 

[Trailblazer]

"There is no proof that God exists, only evidence.
The Messengers of God such as Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah are the evidence of the true God, the Creator and Judge, the Living God, the Most High."

Who told you that? Or is that an assumption of your own?

Which part of what I said are you referring to, the part about proof of God or the part about the Messengers being the evidence?
Nobody told me there is no proof that God exists, but if there was proof wouldn't everyone believe in God?
Do you see any proof of God?

As far as the Messengers of God are concerned they are direct evidence of God. Nobody told me that but it is obvious if one looks at their lives, their Missions,their scriptures, and the religions they established.

Of course none of the Messengers wrote anything in their own Pens except the Bab and Baha'u'llah who are the best evidence that God exists the world has ever seen, as far as I am concerned. Their Writings alone would be enough evidence for me, but we also have their Missions and the Baha'i Faith, the religion that was established as a result of their coming.