Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[kai]

Response: I believe they would. What they don't like is when the UN decided to get together and give the Jews a piece of land that was originally tooken from them by European forces.

you are aware that Gaza and the west bank was taken in war?

 

[Fatihah]

Perhaps you could save all the arguments and just tell us:

Do you believe that Apostates should die?

Do you believe that the act of sodomy justifies the death sentence?

a simple yes or no would suffice

Response: There is a thread called "Apostasy in Islam" in which I and several other muslims have addressed the issue of apostasy in detail. My simple answer was yes but if the person wishes for peace it must be granted to them within a peace treaty. As for sodomy, I don't know of any punishment that was given by Muhammad in such cases. However, it goes under the act of an illegal marriage so in my opinion, some type of punishment is required but I don't believe it should be death.

 

[Fatihah]

Quite simply a considerable amount of Muslims in many parts of the world carry out violence and advocate violence in the name of Islam. Its a fact.
Now Muslims can answer this anomaly if that is what it is by explaining it or not. and the first people they should be explaining it too is each other.

Its not for us to provide quotes in the Quran or Sunnah that justify the acts of Taliban etc . Its up to those Muslims that promote the religion of peace/no compulsion in religion ideas to provide quotes etc that prove just the opposite.

Response: On the contrary, the same way we are responsible for providing evidence from the qur'an or sunnah to show that islam is a religion of peace, the ones who claim that it isn't should do the same.

 

[Fatihah]

you are aware that Gaza and the west bank was taken in war?

Response: Yes.

 

[Fatihah]

Well, to continue this. For the sake of argument, let's say that God is supporting it. It is one of the fastest growing religions in the world. Over half of it's 12,000,000+ members are converts to the religion. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized in 1830, in Fayette, New York. http://www.adherents.com/largecom/lds_dem.html#Today it is the fourth largest religious body in the United States and the sixth largest international Christian religious body in the world. There are approximately 800 converts to Mormonism per day. That doesn't sound to me like "failing miserably" to me.

Response: A failure to win converts, no. But the challenge is to prove whether or not the qur'an is from God, a challenge that if applied to any other religion, they will fail in their attempts to prove that their religion is actually from God.

 

[Fatihah]

Pax Islamica?

Response: Pax Islamica??

 

[Alla Prima]

Response: There is a thread called "Apostasy in Islam" in which I and several other muslims have addressed the issue of apostasy in detail. My simple answer was yes

The view expressed by this member is abhorant and must be soundly condemned by all those who value freedom and hold authentic compassion for the human family. It is views such as these that show us Islam has no place in our free Liberal democracies.

Also this should be a warning to all who are considering a conversion to Islam. You have been warned.

 

[Gharib]

The view expressed by this member is abhorant and must be soundly condemned by all those who value freedom and hold authentic compassion for the human family. It is views such as these that show us Islam has no place in our free Liberal democracies.

oh, so islam takes the freedom of people away, well china is a comunist country, korea is, the US is, the UK is, no one is free, everyone is monitored 24/7 like dogs, is that freedom?
and what about the people killed by the US, someone raises their head or voice, they get killed, didn't they kill their own president Kennedy.

Also this should be a warning to all who are considering a conversion to Islam. You have been warned.

puh-lease, grow up. you have warned them, about what? why would anyone want to convert to islam if it takes peoples freedom away? when it killes you if you leave it, who would be so dumb to convert to such a bad religion.

do you wish to know the answer?
those people who are smart, those people who have been given a brain by Allah and know what is white and what is black, those people who aren't deaf nor blind. people who are wise.
unfortunately, you fall short of those characteristics, too bad i guess.

 

[Smoke]

oh, so islam takes the freedom of people away, well china is a comunist country, korea is, the US is, the UK is, no one is free, everyone is monitored 24/7 like dogs, is that freedom?
and what about the people killed by the US, someone raises their head or voice, they get killed, didn't they kill their own president Kennedy.

I agree that Islamic morality is the equal of the morality of George W. Bush and the morality of Lee Harvey Oswald.

 

[Gharib]

I agree that Islamic morality is the equal of the morality of George W. Bush and the morality of Lee Harvey Oswald.

no wrong, bong bong.

just because bush is a *******, that doesn't make islam the same as bush, whats your point anyway, is there anything in particular you would like to discuss, just incase.

 

[Luminous]

Response: Well, Joseph Smith did create a religion, or for that sake of argument, let's say he didn't. This is actually from God. The question I would ask is if it is from God than wouldn't God support it? Assuming the answer is yes, why is it not superceding the other religions? The fact that it isn't shows that God is not supporting it. As for conquering nations, the religion of islam doesn't teach us to go out and conquer nations, but it reminds us that when another religion tries to supress islam, islam will always conquer them and win.

Im affraid the same can be said about Qur'anism as to Mormonism. And your last sentence is wrong. Islam has lost many battles. any religion is but a parazitic though that wishes to replicated, strenghen, and use its hosts to spreadd and survive.

 

[England my lionheart]

Eselam,i don't think you meant it but
Quote Eselam:
china is a comunist country, korea is, the US is, the UK is, no one is free, everyone is monitored 24/7 like dogs, is that freedom?
China is indeed a communist country however North Korea is a Stalinist Dictatorship and the USA and UK are secular Democracies.

 

[Kodanshi]

the religion of islam doesn't teach us to go out and conquer nations, but it reminds us that when another religion tries to supress islam, islam will always conquer them and win.

That’s really working in Afghanistan, Irâq and Palestine isn’t it… :run:

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

That’s really working in Afghanistan, Irâq and Palestine isn’t it… :run:

Please don't encourage more people to think that way. How is anyone threatening Islam? That is the problem. People think we are attacking it and we're not. We are just trying to make the world a safer place (not that we're doing a good job of it). Sure, you might not like what the U.S. is doing, I understand. Sometimes we're stupid. Sometimes we do dumb things. But it's not because of some kind of "war on Islam" or something.

 

[Alla Prima]

oh, so islam takes the freedom of people away,

Yes it does and the proof of this is in the fact that Islam advocates murdering it's own members who choose to excerise freedom.

you have warned them, about what?

About joining an ideology that might seek their death should they decide to leave it.

 

[Alla Prima]

I agree that Islamic morality is the equal of the morality of George W. Bush and the morality of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Hardly. Bush never sought the death of people who disowned America.

 

[Alla Prima]

just because bush is a *******, that doesn't make islam the same as bush,

Bush was a ******* but he wasn't evil.

 

[Gharib]

Yes it does and the proof of this is in the fact that Islam advocates murdering it's own members who choose to excerise freedom.

you are making me laugh here, please don't do that, i really don't want to laugh. oh well:biglaugh: (i love that cartoon)

i'm free, i do what ever i want, are you saying that you have more righs than me?
and what rights has islam taken from me? you do have an answer to this right.

About joining an ideology that might seek their death should they decide to leave it.

so i told you, who would be so dumb like me to become a muslim, when they will get killed if they leave. it is the smart people, ok.

 

[Gharib]

Bush was a ******* but he wasn't evil.

you can't be serious. please tell me you aren't?

 

[Rakhel]

Bush was evil!! I tell you!! EEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLL!!!!!! sorry couldn't help myself.