Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[Gharib]

I am one of billions of people who would find your position on apostasy disgusting and repulsive.

wheres your proof of the milions?

 

[Gharib]

Is this what Islam teaches you? That those who speak ill of Islam deserve to die? You believe Theo van Gogh deserved to die?

hang on what about the rest of my post? you turning my posts into propaganda?

thats not what islam teaches me, didn't you get the HINT "lets just assume" i'm begining not to take you serious in your claims, you're just sounding like those little kids, "my dads car is better than yours." please quote or reply to my whole statement not just bits of peices you use to turn it around to fit your way of thinking.

 

[Gharib]

Clearification: The killing of apostates is nothing if not a clear indication that Islam is compulsory.

so you kill someone then you say i didn't mean to kill you. thats rubish.

 

[DavyCrocket2003]

eselam,
I am curious to know why you think the war in Iraq is a war against Islam?

Also, why do you think George Bush did all those things you accused him of.

 

[Gharib]

eselam,
I am curious to know why you think the war in Iraq is a war against Islam?

you coulden't have asked a more simple question.

well lets see, before attacking iraq, the US said many times that iraq has nuclear weapons, then when they invaded they changed their policy to saddam hussein because there were no weapons (you do know that a country such as the US does not accuse another country with lies right?). then after killing sadam hussein, they turned their focus on osama bin laden, and now as we know it changed the iraqi people so much, it made them so mentally ill, that they think democracy is better than the lws of islam.

now that the US got what it wanted (to destroy the peoples belief, and turn them to democracy) it shifted it's focus onto afghanistan, it will do the same there, and i bet you that after afghanistan it will go into pakistan, it wants to destroy these states in order to get some inside dogs inot the 3 countries and to try and attack iran. if what i say is not true then please com and spit me in the face. just wait and see.

Also, why do you think George Bush did all those things you accused him of.

hundreds of americans die due to capital punishment each year multiply that by 8 se what you get. and what about all the innocent people, when the US invaded iraq, it bombed all the innocent people, their homes, it killed children while asleep. what did the innocent do? they had nothing to do with it, but thats normal to bush, i did say that if everyone died he would celebrate.

 

[ProudMuslim]

The difference is American law would prosecute those who committed such terrible crimes.

Yet they allow KKK to have stronghold and advance their hateful and racist communities!

Load of crap!

What I and others are doing is bringing this fact to light for all to see.

Like i have said you will just get older before your time, sicker, consume your energy, heart and life doing something unattainable. Islam is here to live, it has survived the past 1400 years and it will always survive. You can't do anything about it.

 

[ProudMuslim]

In that case define evil.

Killing thousands of people in their defenceless nation, causing chaos and unstability to an entire region, causing millions to become refugees, using internationally banned weapons AND on top of that painfully stupid which should be a crime.

Oh wait that is not evil, only killing Van Goegh is.

 

[Gharib]

Killing thousands of people in their defenceless nation, causing chaos and unstability to an entire region, causing millions to become refugees, using internationally banned weapons AND on top of that painfully stupid which should be a crime.

Oh wait that is not evil, only killing Van Goegh is.

i could have never come up with a better definition myself, where were those bessed hands before. peace be upon you ProudMuslim.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Wrong. Domination over all religions is clear in verse 61.9. Once the religions are conquered nations will fall for there is no separation of Church and State within the ideology of Islam.

061.009
YUSUFALI: It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
PICKTHAL: He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He may make it conqueror of all religion however much idolaters may be averse.
SHAKIR: He it is Who sent His Messenger with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse.

LOL, that what that verse says?

Go and study Arabic if you want to understand the Qur'an.

"9. He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad

) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islamic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and in His Messenger Muhammed

) hate (it)"

And guess what? Islam has winned many battles that was waged against it and will always win them. Simply because it is a religion of truth.

 

[Gharib]

And guess what? Islam has winned many battles that was waged against it and will always win them. Simply because it is a religion of truth.

actually because Allah (swt) is our guider, protecter and helper. that sort of sounds better

 

[Azakel]

Yet they allow KKK to have stronghold and advance their hateful and racist communities!

Load of crap!

Because (sadly) they have a right to live the way they want here in the USA. But if they Murder someone they are convicted of that crime and serve time in Prison. I think it would help if one understood how the law here works.

 

[Fatihah]

If there was really a war on Islam, why would we kill Sadaam Hussein?

Response: The killing of Sadaam Hussein was more to keep the US as the strongest of all countries. I don't believe it was an attack on islam at all. The US felt it was important to capture Sadaam because he was a threat to America.

Quote: DavyCrocket
As for your question, Bush was convinced that there were weapons of mass distruction, etc... He felt that Sadaam was a threat (literally, as in he could possibly hit us with a nuke). Why he might feel uncomfortable about that prospect? You can see now. The problem was that it was a huge mistake. There were no weapons of mass destruction. It's really too bad. But the thing I find incredible is that people are so dang mad about the continued U.S. presence there. The only reason we still have soldiers there is to stop the country from descending into violence. We're not trying to take anyone's rights away. We trying to stop people from killing each other. As soon as everyone can get along in Iraq, we'll bid it a belated farewell. Why would we want to leave our men and women there any longer than we had to?

Response: Do you really believe that the US is so concerned for the people in Iraq? The country of Iraq did not come about over night. So why is it that all of a sudden the US decides to invade Iraq? Secondly, it is none of the US business to handle the affairs of another country, especially when the other country does not even like them. How would you feel if Europe decided to kill a US president and occupy the US just because they wanted to stop the killing in America?

 

[Fatihah]

Quote Fatihah:Response: A failure to win converts, no. But the challenge is to prove whether or not the qur'an is from God, a challenge that if applied to any other religion, they will fail in their attempts to prove that their religion is actually from God.

Isn't this propaganda,isn't this based on a falsehood,no religion can actually prove it's from God,lets say for the sake of argument Islam could (obviously it can't) prove it's from God,surely it would be a miracle and there would be a queue at the local Mosque.
Making these incredible claims is propaganda like the "one true religion" that is bandied about or the religion of peace which i don't think any Abrahmic religion can claim,i think that a whole lot of people in the world are confused and cannot distinguish the difference between truth and faith.

Response: The simple fact that you couldn't complete the challenge to prove the qur'an to be wrong is evidence enough that the qur'an is from God. Your own response to the challenge is the proof so if there is any propaganda it would be on your part, not mine.

 

[Fatihah]

I am one of billions of people who would find your position on apostasy disgusting and repulsive.

Response: And I am one of the billions who say diddo to you as well.

 

[McBell]

Response: The simple fact that you couldn't complete the challenge to prove the qur'an to be wrong is evidence enough that the qur'an is from God. Your own response to the challenge is the proof so if there is any propaganda it would be on your part, not mine.

It is really rather interesting that you take the stance that what you believe has to be proven wrong by others and not proven right by you.

Makes you sound much like Kent Hovind...

 

[England my lionheart]

LOL, that what that verse says?

Go and study Arabic if you want to understand the Qur'an.

"9. He it is Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad

) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islamic Monotheism) to make it victorious over all (other) religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah and in His Messenger Muhammed

) hate (it)"

And guess what? Islam has winned many battles that was waged against it and will always win them. Simply because it is a religion of truth.

Again,if it is the religion of truth where is the elusive proof.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Again,if it is the religion of truth where is the elusive proof.

Quran. I don't know if you are serious about this question but i am serious with my answer.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Because (sadly) they have a right to live the way they want here in the USA. But if they Murder someone they are convicted of that crime and serve time in Prison. I think it would help if one understood how the law here works.

Yet the US army bombards villages in Afghanistan simply because the people are extremists, because their idealogy is similar to Taliban. Please don't tell me being an extremist is equal to being a murderer, many extremists just choose to live a very strict life and may also look down upon anyone who does not share their lifestyle but they dont necessarily kill anyone.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: The simple fact that you couldn't complete the challenge to prove the qur'an to be wrong is evidence enough that the qur'an is from God. Your own response to the challenge is the proof so if there is any propaganda it would be on your part, not mine.

Lets say i wanted to bye a fast car,the advertising for the Bugatti Veyron says it can do 0 to 62 MPH in 2.64 seconds which is fast,so off i go to test drive one and indeed it confirms the advertising.
Now lets take Islam,the advertising says "the one true religion" so off i go to the local Mosque and like the Bugatti doing 0 to 60 in 2.64 seconds as proof i am looking for this proof from Islam that it is indeed "the one true religion" please show me this proof.
If you can prove it i'll convert, hows that,i'm that confident.

 

[YmirGF]

Response: The simple fact that you couldn't complete the challenge to prove the qur'an to be wrong is evidence enough that the qur'an is from God. Your own response to the challenge is the proof so if there is any propaganda it would be on your part, not mine.

I thought I covered this fairly well already, Fatihah. It is evidence of nothing and I am a bit surprised that you would think God to be so craven as to author what is essentially a meaningless statement.

Aside from this minor detail...

In your own terms, the founders of the Baha’i Faith "accepted" this so-called challenge and look where it got them. You could, I suppose, say that the relentless persecution they have had to endure IS evidence that their religion is not "of god" but it would be a hollow claim especially coming from a member of the Ummah.

One reason that the Baha’i Faith is not more popular than it is currently is because Muslims have vigorously persecuted both its founders and its followers since its inception. Their persecution happens to this day at the hands of Muslims. Oddly, I wouldn't anticipate people who followed a "religion of peace" to behave so miserably to those of another faith.

One can only imagine how such a wonderful and gentle faith would have emerged onto the world stage had it not spent its infancy trying to stay alive in an extremely hostile environment. My guess is that had Joseph Smith been born in what was then Persia, that he too, would have been killed or rotted away in a Persian jail, having incurred the wrath of ever-wise Islamic legal system.

If indeed Islam IS the only "true" religion, then it follows that anyone who accepted the challenge, as given, would indeed be openly insulting that supposedly "true" religion. It is safe to conclude that one COULD NOT take the challenge and announce it publicly in a Muslim society without drawing scorn and quite possibly, threats of death, due to this grave insult to both Islam, Allah and his alleged messenger. One may as well paint a bull's eye on one's forehead.