Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[Gharib]

how about you just start at page one?

well thats a good starting point, and which first page are we talking about?

note; don't be thinking i'm serious, just incase you think so, ok.
england just said that with a heated blood, if he really meant it he would not have said i don't like or believe anything, if anyone is thinking of converting to a religion, they do understand and accept some things about it, so they keep an open mind about the rest of the info, where as england had a closed mind about everything. so don't worry about it ok.

 

[England my lionheart]

well thats a good starting point, and which first page are we talking about?

note; don't be thinking i'm serious, just incase you think so, ok.
england just said that with a heated blood, if he really meant it he would not have said i don't like or believe anything, if anyone is thinking of converting to a religion, they do understand and accept some things about it, so they keep an open mind about the rest of the info, where as england had a closed mind about everything. so don't worry about it ok.

Eselam it's not just Islam,there isn't a religion out there that can prove it's true but there is only one that brags that it is,no Coconut for guessing which,my favourite religious writing consists of only 8 words "An it harm none,do what thou will" and belongs to the Wiccans which i don't believe either but is such a cool sentence.

 

[Gharib]

Eselam it's not just Islam,there isn't a religion out there that can prove it's true but there is only one that brags that it is,no Coconut for guessing which,

so then why make such a statement when it isn't real or just a joke, a man stand by is word, did you ever know this?

let me give you an example of a muslim scholar;
he was asked "how old are you"
he said "i'm 40"
he was asked "how old will you be in 10 years"
he said "40, a man doesn't change his word"

you get what i'm saying? but anyway.

my favourite religious writing consists of only 8 words "An it harm none,do what thou will" and belongs to the Wiccans which i don't believe either but is such a cool sentence.

many religions do have some good senences, but that ain't good enough.

you know england, don't worry about it, we can leave it you know. did nothing to me and nothing to you.

 

[England my lionheart]

so then why make such a statement when it isn't real or just a joke, a man stand by is word, did you ever know this?

let me give you an example of a muslim scholar;
he was asked "how old are you"
he said "i'm 40"
he was asked "how old will you be in 10 years"
he said "40, a man doesn't change his word"

you get what i'm saying? but anyway.



many religions do have some good senences, but that ain't good enough.

you know england, don't worry about it, we can leave it you know. did nothing to me and nothing to you.

Eselam i'm sorry if you think i was joking,it's a serious thing but i know 100% that it cannot be proved,remember the Bugatti Veyron,0-62 miles per hour in 2.64 seconds,it says it can do this in the manual but that isn't proof is it,it's only when i get in and test drive the car and it reaches 62 MPH in 2.64 seconds and that is proof.
The thing is i know that you will quote
Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?

[Noble Quran 4:82

and i have heard just about every argument that Islam is the one true religion,i have had many dealings with Muslim people and a few have tried to convert me but to no avail so unless you have concrete infallible evidence as proof it would be a waste of time.

 

[Gharib]

Eselam i'm sorry if you think i was joking,it's a serious thing but i know 100% that it cannot be proved,

how do you know, you've never tried it. remember the bugatti?

remember the Bugatti Veyron,0-62 miles per hour in 2.64 seconds,it says it can do this in the manual but that isn't proof is it,it's only when i get in and test drive the car and it reaches 62 MPH in 2.64 seconds and that is proof.

well you were willing to accpet it, and thats the difference here.

The thing is i know that you will quote
Haven't the unbelievers considered if this was from other than Allah, they would find within it many contradictions?
[Noble Quran 4:82

nah, i wasn'tt going to use that, good that you showed me, i'll try to remember that verse.

and i have heard just about every argument that Islam is the one true religion,

i dont soppose you can give me some examples?

i have had many dealings with Muslim people and a few have tried to convert me but to no avail so unless you have concrete infallible evidence as proof it would be a waste of time.

really, someone has tried to convert you. well thats no good is it, if someone doesn't want to.

well i told you, give me a starting point if you are serious, although no matter what sort of evidence i give you, be it the very best of the best, if Allah (swt) doesn't allow it, you could not become a muslim, thats why i said that you do not accept anything from islam and yet you are challenging people to convert you, that will never work.

 

[England my lionheart]

how do you know, you've never tried it. remember the bugatti?

Ah but Islam does'nt have a try before you buy option and once your in it's difficult to get out.

well you were willing to accpet it, and thats the difference here.

Who would'nt accept a Bugatti Veyron


nah, i wasn'tt going to use that, good that you showed me, i'll try to remember that verse.

Good,i'm fed up with that one.


i dont soppose you can give me some examples?

My favourite and one that has been used many times is "Muhammed was illiterate which shows the miracle of the Quran" as if all illiterate people are stupid.

really, someone has tried to convert you. well thats no good is it, if someone doesn't want to.

Yes,and one of them was a Immam and there was a Lady Muslim and she tried really hard,i remember she had beautiful eyes.

well i told you, give me a starting point if you are serious, although no matter what sort of evidence i give you, be it the very best of the best, if Allah (swt) doesn't allow it, you could not become a muslim, thats why i said that you do not accept anything from islam and yet you are challenging people to convert you, that will never work.

You are correct,it will never work

 

[Gharib]

You are correct,it will never work

only Allah (swt) knows, not me.

 

[England my lionheart]

only Allah (swt) knows, not me.

This is another one, you did ask for examples:

Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the last and final messenger of Allah, and he was sent to all of mankind. Allah sent him with a number of miracles, not the least of which was the Quran. The predictions and prophecies of Muhammad (peace be upon him) have come true even in this century and the Quran has been used to convince even scientists of the existence of Allah.
[Please visit "Science Proves Allah": Watch video of famous scientists admit Quran is from Allah and even accept Islam

 

[ProudMuslim]

But I have to repeat myself. The war and motivation for war was political and militarily ones, not religious ones.

:sarcastic

"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."

George Bush, June 2003 (BBC).

"This crusade, this war on terrorism is gonna take awhile." George Bush, Sept 2001 (CNN).

Now if a Muslim man spouted the same nonsense he will automatically be called a "religious jihadist" whose mission is to destroy other nations.

Personally i can understand that think this war is not about religion but politics, just like i believe Al Qaeda strategy is purely political and not religious. But i dont believe Bush think the same way, i don't think Osama think the same way. I think they both believe they are some religious "messengers" who belong to the "opposite ends of a spectrum" with a holier cause.

 

[ProudMuslim]

esalam you do know of an incident when Alqueda basically declared war on the US and was sheltered and nurtured by the Taliban. Alqueda stuffed its nose right into the US. and what do the Arabs ever do about anything? except sell oil perhaps.

Do you know of an earlier incident where the US bombed Iraq and Sudan in 1998 for...nothing? Do you remember when US, wait it still does it, veto every UN resolution condemning Israel. Not only that but also keep funding and support Israel financially & militarily?

 

[ProudMuslim]

And there wrong too. So let me guess just because I'm an American I supposed to agree with everything my Gov, does, and my Military can do no wrong....wrong. Nice, thank you for putting words in my mouth I love when people do that:areyoucra

When did i put words in your mouth? lol, those were MY words in reply to your claim that KKK are allowed to exist in US as long as they don't kill anyone. I am basically saying this "right" is considered a crime if an Afghani decided to be an extremist, US finds him a legitimate target to kill.

Can you get my point?

Alla Prima was braging on and on and on about her "free country is civilized" blah blah and i just showed her hypocrisy as well as her country.

 

[Azakel]

When did i put words in your mouth? lol, those were MY words in reply to your claim that KKK are allowed to exist in US as long as they don't kill anyone. I am basically saying this "right" is considered a crime if an Afghani decided to be an extremist, US finds him a legitimate target to kill.

Can you get my point?

Alla Prima was braging on and on and on about her "free country is civilized" blah blah and i just showed her hypocrisy as well as her country.

I see what you mean, and I agree that it wrong. I don't understand way it's ok to let one group of extremist to be around but fill the need to get rid of others. Personal I don't care for extremist myself, but that doesn't mean I'm going to kill them.

 

[ProudMuslim]

I see what you mean, and I agree that it wrong. I don't understand way it's ok to let one group of extremist to be around but fill the need to get rid of others. Personal I don't care for extremist myself, but that doesn't mean I'm going to kill them.

I totally agree. I think it will be great if they are not deprived from their right and instead given some areas like the 'Amish' and let them live the life they want without imposing it in anyone's throat.

 

[kai]

Do you know of an earlier incident where the US bombed Iraq and Sudan in 1998 for...nothing? Do you remember when US, wait it still does it, veto every UN resolution condemning Israel. Not only that but also keep funding and support Israel financially & militarily?

No i dont, could you give me a source about the bombing of Iraq and Sudan in 1998 for nothing?


or are you refering to
Bombing of Iraq (December 1998) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)



perhaps your idea of "for nothing " differs from mine

 

[ProudMuslim]

No i dont, could you give me a source about the bombing of Iraq and Sudan in 1998 for nothing?


or are you refering to
Bombing of Iraq (December 1998) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)

perhaps your idea of "for nothing " differs from mine

Ok, i will rephrase the sentence "for nothing" to "to shift the world attention from his scandal with Monica Lewinsky".

Destroying chemical factory that produced medicine in Sudan was barbaric.

There is a reason why there is anti-America sentiments across the world specially in the Muslim world. If you think the reason is "because we love Jesus and they don't" or "because we are a free nation" then you need to reconsider it. US is not the only nation that "believe in Jesus" or "free" but it is the target for attacks. You really need to connect the dots.

btw the second link does not work.

 

[kai]

Ok, i will rephrase the sentence "for nothing" to "to shift the world attention from his scandal with Monica Lewinsky".
Really ?You now have a reason, but where do you get that reason from?
Destroying chemical factory that produced medicine in Sudan was barbaric.
Well i guess the US isnt go to tell us what evidence they had for doing so ( if any)
There is a reason why there is anti-America sentiments across the world specially in the Muslim world. If you think the reason is "because we love Jesus and they don't" or "because we are a free nation" then you need to reconsider it. US is not the only nation that "believe in Jesus" or "free" but it is the target for attacks. You really need to connect the dots.
What has Jesus got to do with it?
btw the second link does not work.

sorry about that


Cruise missile strikes on Afghanistan and Sudan (August 1998) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[England my lionheart]

:sarcastic
Originally Posted by gnostic
But I have to repeat myself. The war and motivation for war was political and militarily ones, not religious ones.

Political

Now if a Muslim man spouted the same nonsense he will automatically be called a "religious jihadist" whose mission is to destroy other nations.

I agree,just like Irans Presidents vow to wipe Israel from the face of the Earth,Georges brain and mouth were'nt always in sync

Personally i can understand that think this war is not about religion but politics, just like i believe Al Qaeda strategy is purely political and not religious. But i dont believe Bush think the same way, i don't think Osama think the same way. I think they both believe they are some religious "messengers" who belong to the "opposite ends of a spectrum" with a holier cause.

The Crusades are over,the last one 1270ish and was a Religious Crusade or Holy war,however my local council can have a Crusade on illegally parked cars but it does'nt mean the traffic wardens will be dressed in Templar outfits as it will have nothing to do with religion.
The likelyhood my Prime Minister calling for a Holy Crusade is zilch,we don't do religious wars anymore thankgoodness so instead we go to war for Political reasons.

 

[Alla Prima]

The idea that Muhammad was a perfect example to follow is another example of Islamic propaganda. Marrying children sanctioned by Muhammad still appropriate.

Saudi Court Refuses to Block Marriage of Girl, 8, to Older Man
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515664,00.html

 

[Alla Prima]

Response: And I am one of the billions who say diddo to you as well.

Is that so? With 1.5 billions Muslims I hardly think that 'billions' of people agree with your disgusting view on apostasy. Or maybe your hoping a few Christians or Buddhists might line up to encourage murder to those who choose to excercise their free will. Dream on perverted one.

 

[Alla Prima]

hang on what about the rest of my post? you turning my posts into propaganda?

thats not what islam teaches me, didn't you get the HINT "lets just assume" i'm begining not to take you serious in your claims, you're just sounding like those little kids, "my dads car is better than yours." please quote or reply to my whole statement not just bits of peices you use to turn it around to fit your way of thinking.

You didn't answer my question.