Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[ayani]

well, i'd contest this a little.

certainly we are all made in God's image, and all precious to Him, and unique.

yet i'd cite John 1:11-13 to argue that while estranged from Christ, we are not God's children in a personal, spiritual sense. we yet lack the Holy Spirit which reconciles us to God, and makes Him known to us, and us able to cry "Abba, Father" in Spirit-lead prayer.

i do see what you mean, but to take Jesus out of the equation takes away what His unique relationship to God can mean for us humans, specifically those who accept Him, believe in Him, and belong to Him. (Matthew 11:27)

Well, we are all his sons and daughters, but that's not what she meant. She meant Jesus Christ, the best friend a person could ever have...

 

[Gharib]

You didn't answer my question.

what question might that be?

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: You're right. It's not proof at all in your example. You see, your example is telling me to prove something is true by reading something that says it's true whereas ch.2:23 says nothing like that. It says to prove that the qur'an is man made by creating a chapter like the qur'an yourself. Two completely different scenarios. So your analogy does not work here.

Ok,so the Manual of the Bugatti Veyron can be proved but the Quran can't in reality and is purely a matter of faith.

 

[Fatihah]

Ok,so the Manual of the Bugatti Veyron can be proved but the Quran can't in reality and is purely a matter of faith.

Response: Not at all. They both can be proved. Neither you or anyone has produced a chapter like the qur'an to show that man in fact created the qur'an so until then, any claims that it is man made is useless.

 

[Fatihah]

Jesus, Yasou al-Masih.

(Arabic speaking Christians call Him Yasou)

Response: What do you mean when you say Jesus is his son? Do you mean biologically? In other words, did God produce Jesus the same way my mother and father produced me?

 

[Fatihah]

Well, we are all his sons and daughters, but that's not what she meant. She meant Jesus Christ, the best friend a person could ever have...

Response: I could live with that statement.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: Not at all. They both can be proved. Neither you or anyone has produced a chapter like the qur'an to show that man in fact created the qur'an so until then, any claims that it is man made is useless.

A simple question for you,was it physically written by a Mans/Mens hand?

 

[YmirGF]

Response: Defeat the Bahai faith in what way? And again, all of this irrelevant. The challenge is to prove that the qur'an is from Allah, not what the Bahai faith thinks or other muslims. So none of this is even relevant.

Absolute rubbish.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: Not at all. They both can be proved. Neither you or anyone has produced a chapter like the qur'an to show that man in fact created the qur'an so until then, any claims that it is man made is useless.

Not at all,of the two only the Bugatti Veyron can prove itself by doing what it says it can do in the Manual ie 0 to 62 MPH in 2.64 seconds,the other (Quran) is purely a matter of faith and there is nothing wrong in faith.

 

[kai]

Not at all,of the two only the Bugatti Veyron can prove itself by doing what it says it can do in the Manual ie 0 to 62 MPH in 2.64 seconds,the other (Quran) is purely a matter of faith and there is nothing wrong in faith.

tell me England is the Bugati Veyron trully real? so the manual IS to be taken literally?

 

[England my lionheart]

tell me England is the Bugati Veyron trully real? so the manual IS to be taken literally?

LOL, yes bless-ed is the Bugatti Veyron manual ,because it is authentic and true,0 to 62.something MPH in a gut churning 2.64 seconds:run:

 

[Fatihah]

A simple question for you,was it physically written by a Mans/Mens hand?

Response: Could you be more specific.

 

[Fatihah]

Absolute rubbish.

Response: Very well then.

 

[Fatihah]

Not at all,of the two only the Bugatti Veyron can prove itself by doing what it says it can do in the Manual ie 0 to 62 MPH in 2.64 seconds,the other (Quran) is purely a matter of faith and there is nothing wrong in faith.

Response: Can you produce a chapter like the qur'an?

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: Could you be more specific.

Sure,somebody physically wrote the Quran and the faith part is that Allah revealed it to Muhammed.

 

[Fatihah]

Sure,somebody physically wrote the Quran and the faith part is that Allah revealed it to Muhammed.

Response: Then I repeat, can you produce a chapter like the qur'an?

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: Then I repeat, can you produce a chapter like the qur'an?

It's already been done,the books of the Bible,oh hang on were'nt they written first

 

[Fatihah]

It's already been done,the books of the Bible,oh hang on were'nt they written first

Response: You have beautifully unanswered the question.

 

[kai]

Response: Then I repeat, can you produce a chapter like the qur'an?

I dont really get the question ,Can you produce a chapter like the Quran? what on earth does that mean? a chapter like what exactly? What will be the criteria to judge ? Who are going to be the judges? Muslims? you cannot! you are prevented from doing so , you are only allowed one judgement and thats the negative.

But if ye cannot - and of a surety ye cannot - then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith. -- Qur'an 2.24 (trans. A. Yusuf Ali


i can only answer such a silly question by asking you ,Can you produce another Hamlet?

 

[YmirGF]

i can only answer such a silly question by asking you ,Can you produce another Hamlet?

But that's just it, Kai. The whole idea is - quite literally -- a bloody joke.
Fatihah's answers to my points are evidence that some Muslims are not particularly serious about having rational discussions.