Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[Alla Prima]

I dint think AbuKhalid has any intentions of even trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes here, this really is his belief.

And it could well be that you just made my point.

 

[England my lionheart]

They are not impotent at all. There is an Islamic awakening occurring throughout the Ummah and those I mentioned are getting stronger by the day.

I disagree,i see it as becomming weaker because Islam isn't a single entity anymore,the only common denominator is the Quran,otherwise it is a very fractured religion which is apparent because very few answer the call to JIhad.
IMO Islam here is changing because it must change and because the meeting of cultures brings new ideas such as (believe it or not) democratic and secular Muslims and i think this along with the way information is available now harkens a new era for Islam

 

[Alla Prima]

Restore the Caliphate and Islamic law.

Why is this important? To what end?

 

[McBell]

Restore the Caliphate and Islamic law.

Interesting how mere mortal humans feel such compulsion to do the work for an all powerful deity....

 

[JMorris]

I would refer to the vast majority of Sunni groups waging Jihad as Mujahideen based on the fact that they are fighting for Islam.

The main ones would be those in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Chechnya, Somalia, Philippines, Kashmir. But it would also include those fighting against governments such as that of Saudi and Egypt.

AbuKhalid, is it really necessary for Muslims to be murderers? in your opinion, is the Muslim mind so dim as to not be able to think of any other way to change the world?
then again, you want to return the world into the Dark Ages. and in order to want that, you must have a Dark Age mentality, which makes me wonder why your using a computer.

 

[England my lionheart]

Interesting how mere mortal humans feel such compulsion to do the work for an all powerful deity....

The Caliph is nothing,you wait till the Mahdi gets here :help: but don't hold your breath

 

[Alla Prima]

The Caliph is nothing,you wait till the Mahdi gets here :help: but don't hold your breath

Muslim acceptance of the Mahdi would make at least a few here hypocrites. It's not found in the Koran or even most of the Hadith.

Odd concept too. The Madhi is to rid the world of tyranny. That would necessitate removing Islam as well as the Madhi from the world.

 

[McBell]

Muslim acceptance of the Mahdi would make at least a few here hypocrites. It's not found in the Koran or even most of the Hadith.

Odd concept too. The Madhi is to rid the world of tyranny. That would necessitate removing Islam as well as the Madhi from the world.

Seems to me that at least some Muslims are not the least bit concerned with their hypocrisy.

 

[England my lionheart]

Very strange indeed,what is scary about the Mahdi is Irans President saying Iran has a written contract with the Mahdi,to facilitate the Mahdhi's comming the world must either be at war or totally under Muslim rule,either way it's not good.

 

[England my lionheart]

IMO ,To be a Muslim,one would have to Cherry pick to avoid the unsavoury bad bits such as Ahadiths.

 

[McBell]

IMO ,To be a Muslim,one would have to Cherry pick to avoid the unsavoury bad bits such as Ahadiths.

Seems to me that that is no different from the other religions...

 

[England my lionheart]

There is no ruling in the Islamic Shari`ah that has to do with the emergence of Al-Mahdi. That is to say, Muslims are not to delay fulfilling religious duties like the congregational prayers or Jihad or applying penalties prescribed in Shari`ah, etc., until Al-Mahdi comes and guides them in that respect. Muslims are to lead their lives normally — worship Allah, go to work, reform their society, learn, teach, etc., and if Al-Mahdi appears and they make sure that he is truthful, they are to follow him. This was the attitude of the Companions and those who truly followed in their footsteps."
Stranger and stranger,why do Muslims concern themselves with things that are nothing to do with the Quran.

 

[England my lionheart]

Seems to me that that is no different from the other religions...

True,seems cherry picking is a popular pastime for religious folk

 

[Fatihah]

IMO ,To be a Muslim,one would have to Cherry pick to avoid the unsavoury bad bits such as Ahadiths.

Response: It's not a matter of cherry picking, it's a case of separating authentic from unauthentic. Many hadiths are not authentic and not accepted in islam and yet they are used by non-muslims to prove some of the fundamentals of islam.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: It's not a matter of cherry picking, it's a case of separating authentic from unauthentic. Many hadiths are not authentic and not accepted in islam and yet they are used by non-muslims to prove some of the fundamentals of islam.

So if a Ahadith like Bukhari is sahih (authentic) you still dismiss it as false,this makes no sense at all and another example of grasping at straws.

 

[Alla Prima]

Response: It's not a matter of cherry picking, it's a case of separating authentic from unauthentic. Many hadiths are not authentic and not accepted in islam and yet they are used by non-muslims to prove some of the fundamentals of islam.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: that's what cherry picking IS! :biglaugh:

 

[McBell]

Response: It's not a matter of cherry picking, it's a case of separating authentic from unauthentic. Many hadiths are not authentic and not accepted in islam and yet they are used by non-muslims to prove some of the fundamentals of islam.

 

[kai]

Response: It's not a matter of cherry picking, it's a case of separating authentic from unauthentic. Many hadiths are not authentic and not accepted in islam and yet they are used by non-muslims to prove some of the fundamentals of islam.

so some cherries are redder than others and much sweeter, who can blame you for picking the ones that suit you taste?

 

[Gharib]

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: that's what cherry picking IS! :biglaugh:

did you think of that all by yourself?

 

[Fatihah]

So if a Ahadith like Bukhari is sahih (authentic) you still dismiss it as false,this makes no sense at all and another example of grasping at straws.

Response: I don't know what's meant here because I accept all hadiths of Bukhari as authentic.