Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[Fatihah]

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: that's what cherry picking IS! :biglaugh:

Response: No it is not.

 

[McBell]

Response: No it is not.

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: I don't know what's meant here because I accept all hadiths of Bukhari as authentic.

Then you must accept that Apostates were and are killed

 

[Alla Prima]

Response: No it is not.

Snappy comeback there Fatihah.

I'd ask why but honestly I don't think you have an answer.

 

[Gharib]

Snappy comeback there Fatihah.

I'd ask why but honestly I don't think you have an answer.

tell me Alla Prima:

what is cherry picking?

 

[Tristesse]

tell me Alla Prima:

what is cherry picking?

I'll answer for alla prima, cherry picking is when a religious person who follows a particular "holy" book, picks verses that he or she agrees with and tosses out the ones they don't agree with, or reinterprets them in a way that doesn't make their religion look as bad.

 

[McBell]

I'll answer for alla prima, cherry picking is when a religious person who follows a particular "holy" book, picks verses that he or she agrees with and tosses out the ones they don't agree with, or reinterprets them in a way that doesn't make their religion look as bad.

or reinterprets them to fit current knowledge...

 

[Fatihah]

Snappy comeback there Fatihah.

I'd ask why but honestly I don't think you have an answer.

Response: Or at least the answer you're looking for.

 

[Alla Prima]

Response: Or at least the answer you're looking for.

You don't give any answer because you have none to give.

 

[Alla Prima]

tell me Alla Prima:

what is cherry picking?

What the others said... and thanks guys.

Muslims cannot criticize Islam so they cherry pick show a good side of Islam for western consumption. They think we are too stupid to notice but we notice I assure you. We're here to point out Islam's darker side and believe me it's plenty dark. There are few if any Muslims who will reveal the truth of Islam so we have to do it for you.

Now before you go off claiming that we who criticize Islam are also cherry picking let me say that this is true. We are cherry picking. The difference is Muslims cherry pick to make obscure the truth of Islam. We cherry pick to make more clear the truth of Islam.

 

[Gharib]

I'll answer for alla prima, cherry picking is when a religious person who follows a particular "holy" book, picks verses that he or she agrees with and tosses out the ones they don't agree with, or reinterprets them in a way that doesn't make their religion look as bad.

well you know muslims do not pick verses by hand, if we do not like some verses in the quran then we cannot be muslims, so that statement is wrong when reffered to muslims.

is there anything else?

and cherrie picking means picking cherries from a tree, with a cherrie picker.

i don't see how that can be applied to religion, especially saying that we chose the verses that best suit our claims. naturally you would use statements that support your claim, who would be so stupid to be speaking about what a great religion they follow and bring forth statements that credit another religion and discredit theirs?

thats what you guys are saying. tell me if i'm wrong.

 

[Gharib]

or reinterprets them to fit current knowledge...

well just because your knowledge isn't up to date or at the required level it does seem that way. the verses cannot be interpreted in any way appart from what they actually mean. and every verse is quoted with the number next to it, you can look it up yourself if you wish. thats the reason for quoting the number.

 

[Gharib]

Muslims cannot criticize Islam so they cherry pick show a good side of Islam for western consumption.

is that why many non muslims join islam, they are tricked into it right?

They think we are too stupid to notice but we notice I assure you. We're here to point out Islam's darker side and believe me it's plenty dark. There are few if any Muslims who will reveal the truth of Islam so we have to do it for you.

oh i wish i could believe that. actually it gos like this:

there are very very few non muslims who actually answer straight about islam, all you do is make up lies.

let me ask you, who knows more about islam you or me?

now don't go with the ussual argument saying thats a cheap shot, but answer the question, we will see how truthful you are when speaking about islam.

Now before you go off claiming that we who criticize Islam are also cherry picking let me say that this is true. We are cherry picking. The difference is Muslims cherry pick to make obscure the truth of Islam. We cherry pick to make more clear the truth of Islam.

you know, you version of cherrie picking is not more different than that of the media, which is owned by the enemies of islam.

did you know that all the non muslims who end up muslims are the very people that accept everything from the media. but one things sets them appart from you, they analyse both sides of the story. they do not want the "truth" that people such as yourself convey about islam, but the want the actual truth that is there for everyone to accept if they want to. so when they go to discover about islam with an oppen mind they end up becoming muslims, now why doesn't your version of cherrie picking show that. that is the truth, but i've never heard the media or you saying that.

muslims do not ever choose things about their religion, if there is anything you want to know, ask, i will answer you. but asking me about islam and saying that i am being deceitfull to you just because thats not what you want to hear is another problem about which you need to see a psychiatrist or something. i can't help you there.

so now i wonder who is telling the truth and who is doing the cherrie picking?
oh the answer is obvious:

Originally Posted by Alla Prima
We are cherry picking

 

[Tristesse]

well you know muslims do not pick verses by hand, if we do not like some verses in the quran then we cannot be muslims, so that statement is wrong when reffered to muslims.

is there anything else?

and cherrie picking means picking cherries from a tree, with a cherrie picker.

i don't see how that can be applied to religion, especially saying that we chose the verses that best suit our claims. naturally you would use statements that support your claim, who would be so stupid to be speaking about what a great religion they follow and bring forth statements that credit another religion and discredit theirs?

thats what you guys are saying. tell me if i'm wrong.

I didn't say it applied to you. I was answering for someone else. And yeah I know what official cherry picking is, but that statement is meant to come across that way.

Your wrong, the reason why cherry picking is used, is because a lot of christians disregard certain verses of the bible, I can't speak for muslims, because I don't know very much about them and their culture. But, For instance when the bible says to take your unruly child to the edge of town and stone him to death, most christians don't take that passage litteraly, and either disregard it or reinterpret it so that it fits their morality. Thats cherry picking, your picking the verses you like and tossing out the rest.

 

[Gharib]

I didn't say it applied to you. I was answering for someone else. And yeah I know what official cherry picking is, but that statement is meant to come across that way.

Your wrong, the reason why cherry picking is used, is because a lot of christians disregard certain verses of the bible, I can't speak for muslims, because I don't know very much about them and their culture. But, For instance when the bible says to take your unruly child to the edge of town and stone him to death, most christians don't take that passage litteraly, and either disregard it or reinterpret it so that it fits their morality. Thats cherry picking, your picking the verses you like and tossing out the rest.

ok i understand why you said that, but muslims do not do that. we would not be muslims if we did that.

 

[Tristesse]

ok i understand why you said that, but muslims do not do that. we would not be muslims if we did that.

Ok, I'm not too familiar with the qur'an, so, I have no idea if you do or not. But if the qur'an is similar to the bible, than I can say it's most likely the case that you do, in one form or another. I mean there is stuff in the bible that today's society frowns on in a big way.

 

[Gharib]

Ok, I'm not too familiar with the qur'an, so, I have no idea if you do or not. But if the qur'an is similar to the bible, than I can say it's most likely the case that you do, in one form or another. I mean there is stuff in the bible that today's society frowns on in a big way.

well the quran isn't like the bible, we believe that it has been altered. i mean look at that example that you provided, it orders to stone a child for nothing. thats not permited in islam.

 

[Alla Prima]

is that why many non muslims join islam, they are tricked into it right?

Many people start smoking tobacco. That doesn't make smoking healthy.

oh i wish i could believe that. actually it gos like this:

there are very very few non muslims who actually answer straight about islam, all you do is make up lies.

let me ask you, who knows more about islam you or me?

now don't go with the ussual argument saying thats a cheap shot, but answer the question, we will see how truthful you are when speaking about islam.

You're knowledge is used to tell untruths about Islam.

muslims do not ever choose things about their religion, if there is anything you want to know, ask, i will answer you. but asking me about islam and saying that i am being deceitfull to you just because thats not what you want to hear is another problem about which you need to see a psychiatrist or something.

It's not a question of what I want to hear. It's a question of acknowledging what is plainly written in the books of Islam. Muslims cherry pick in order to avoid these plain truths of their own ideology. Case in point is the punishment for apostasy. The mental gymnastics Muslim perform in order to avoid this truth would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

 

[Gharib]

Many people start smoking tobacco. That doesn't make smoking healthy.

no it doesn't, and many people like you say that islam is a bad religion, but it doesn't make it bad just because you say so.

You're knowledge is used to tell untruths about Islam.

yes you think that because thats not what you want to hear.

It's not a question of what I want to hear. It's a question of acknowledging what is plainly written in the books of Islam. Muslims cherry pick in order to avoid these plain truths of their own ideology. Case in point is the punishment for apostasy. The mental gymnastics Muslim perform in order to avoid this truth would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

muslims don't do that, i already explained it.

and i also explained the punishment for appostacy, lets not bring it up in this thread ok, go to the appropriate one if you wish to speak about it, i'm not repeating my self hundreds of times, just because you don't like what is the truth about islam.

 

[Alla Prima]

no it doesn't, and many people like you say that islam is a bad religion, but it doesn't make it bad just because you say so.

Of course not! I have no (nor do I want) such power. Islam does that all on it's own. People need simply approach Islam with an unbiased mind as I did.

yes you think that because thats not what you want to hear.

I'm sorry but your cutsey pop psychology isn't going to work on me. I think that because that's what the facts show me.

muslims don't do that, i already explained it.

and i also explained the punishment for appostacy, lets not bring it up in this thread ok, go to the appropriate one if you wish to speak about it, i'm not repeating my self hundreds of times, just because you don't like what is the truth about islam.

Apostasy was an example of your untruths and I'll bring it up if it's appropriate. It's not up to you what I bring up in this thread. Your distortion of the truth of the punishment that Islam sanctions for apostates has been made clear for all to see. It's another instance of Muslim propaganda.