Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

[kai]

anyone notice this is a complete waste of time? any one notice it always is a complete waste of time?

 

[ayani]

Fatihah ~

Muhammad makes a pretty distinctive claim.

He claims to be a prophet in the line of Abrahamic revelation. He claims that the same God who used Moses to lead the Hebrew people out of Egypt (for Jews) and who also sent Jesus the Messiah (for Judeo-Christians), also sent him. Mohammad identifies the Allah of Islam with the Yah / Adonai / Abba of the Bible, and of Judeo-Christian faith.

Mohammad is not just claiming to be a prophet, he is claiming to be a prophet of a specific God, and from a specific line. for people of faith who do not accpet this claim, it could be said to matter little how greatly a Muslim respects and loves Musa or Isa. because while the Muslim believer identifies the Quranic Musa and Isa with the Biblical Moses and Jesus, a non-Muslim may not. and a non-Muslim may still not believe that Mohammad was a prophet, or at least not a figure meaningfully linked to the men mentioned in the Biblical narrative.

Muslims do have reasons and scriptures to back the claim that Mohammad is a prophet in the line of Abraham, and that is ok. but not everyone will agree with those reasons, or those readings of Jewish and Christian scripture.

 

[Fatihah]

Are you playing coy, son? The purpose of mentioning was to provide any example of muslims being hostile and disrespectful towards other religions. They destroyed an important archaeological treasure that's now gone forever all because of some ignorant, superstitious and savage people.

Response: In other words, it has nothing to do with the subject. The question is why is it necessary to use propaganda against islam. Instead you completely ignore the question and provided a link which shows the taliban doing some act of violence. In no way did that answer the question, at no time did a muslim in this forum either condone the taliban or claim affiliation to them, and at no time did a muslim here claim that the actions of the taliban is islamic. Therefore, based on your own reasons for posting the link, it was just another attempt from a non-muslim to sidetrack the thread and make islam seem to be against peace without actually showing from the qur'an or sunnah that islam is not a religion of peace. Propaganda as usual.

 

[Fatihah]

Fatihah ~

Muhammad makes a pretty distinctive claim.

He claims to be a prophet in the line of Abrahamic revelation. He claims that the same God who used Moses to lead the Hebrew people out of Egypt (for Jews) and who also sent Jesus the Messiah (for Judeo-Christians), also sent him. Mohammad identifies the Allah of Islam with the Yah / Adonai / Abba of the Bible, and of Judeo-Christian faith.

Mohammad is not just claiming to be a prophet, he is claiming to be a prophet of a specific God, and from a specific line. for people of faith who do not accpet this claim, it could be said to matter little how greatly a Muslim respects and loves Musa or Isa. because while the Muslim believer identifies the Quranic Musa and Isa with the Biblical Moses and Jesus, a non-Muslim may not. and a non-Muslim may still not believe that Mohammad was a prophet, or at least not a figure meaningfully linked to the men mentioned in the Biblical narrative.

Muslims do have reasons and scriptures to back the claim that Mohammad is a prophet in the line of Abraham, and that is ok. but not everyone will agree with those reasons, or those readings of Jewish and Christian scripture.

Response: To disagree is one thing. To try to slander and defame the person is another. Could you imagine or any non-muslim for that matter imagine how you would feel if your mother was thrown around in the media being slandered and defamed? I find it absolutely fascinating that out of all of the religious figures in history, none of them come close to facing ridicule like Muhammad (pbuh).

You see, there is a reason for all of this if one were to separate their emotions and just use logic for the moment. The muslims ruled Spain for 800+ years and India for over 1000 years. When the muslims defeated Constantinople, there was absolutely no force on earth left that could defeat the muslims. The muslims had enough power to take over the world with eaze and yet today we see that that has never happpened. So to claim that islam was driven on conquering people doesn't add up.

Yet we can go through history and see what happened after Ferdinand conquered Spain from the muslims. What did he do? It's called the "triangle trade". He sends people of African descent from their homelands and into Europe and America as slaves. The Queen of Spain sends Columbus to trade with the Indians but instead he arrives in America and thinks he's in India. He then captures the natives there as slaves as well and for the next 400+ years the Africans were enslaved by European powers and both North and South America were conquered and it's people were killed and enslaved as well.

So if we know that this happened in history, what do you think the non-muslim powers of Europe did to the muslims when they encountered each other? I assure you it wasn't to give them candy. The problems within muslim countries stem directly from the oppression of the non-muslim powers of the West and has nothing to do with islam. A blind man can see this and in an effort to hide the truth, the west must now use propaganda to make it seem as if the religion of islam is the cause of the wars in the Middle East and not the direct result of their cruelty on humanity.

 

[kai]

Response: In other words, it has nothing to do with the subject. The question is why is it necessary to use propaganda against islam. Instead you completely ignore the question and provided a link which shows the taliban doing some act of violence. In no way did that answer the question, at no time did a muslim in this forum either condone the taliban or claim affiliation to them, and at no time did a muslim here claim that the actions of the taliban is islamic. Therefore, based on your own reasons for posting the link, it was just another attempt from a non-muslim to sidetrack the thread and make islam seem to be against peace without actually showing from the qur'an or sunnah that islam is not a religion of peace. Propaganda as usual.

This thread is purely for your entertainment we both know there is not True Islam on earth and no true Sharia, the actions of Pakistanis,Afghans,Egytians or anyonme else that calls themselves Muslims has no bearing whatsoever on what you percieve Islam to be.
Asking non muslims to produce quotes from Quran and or Sunnah to prove Islam is not a religion of Peace is a straw man argument. even Muslims cant decide what is Islam or Sharia .

 

[kai]

Response: To disagree is one thing. To try to slander and defame the person is another. Could you imagine or any non-muslim for that matter imagine how you would feel if your mother was thrown around in the media being slandered and defamed? I find it absolutely fascinating that out of all of the religious figures in history, none of them come close to facing ridicule like Muhammad (pbuh).
Got any sources for this? any evidence? or is this just your opinion
You see, there is a reason for all of this if one were to separate their emotions and just use logic for the moment. The muslims ruled Spain for 800+ years and India for over 1000 years. When the muslims defeated Constantinople, there was absolutely no force on earth left that could defeat the muslims. The muslims had enough power to take over the world with eaze and yet today we see that that has never happpened. So to claim that islam was driven on conquering people doesn't add up.
Your empire faltered so that proves Islam is peaceful ha ha ha ha fantastic how old are you anyway? have you heard of Charles Martel?
Yet we can go through history and see what happened after Ferdinand conquered Spain from the muslims. What did he do? It's called the "triangle trade". He sends people of African descent from their homelands and into Europe and America as slaves. The Queen of Spain sends Columbus to trade with the Indians but instead he arrives in America and thinks he's in India. He then captures the natives there as slaves as well and for the next 400+ years the Africans were enslaved by European powers and both North and South America were conquered and it's people were killed and enslaved as well.
What no mention of the Arab slave trade? what a surprise
So if we know that this happened in history, what do you think the non-muslim powers of Europe did to the muslims when they encountered each other? I assure you it wasn't to give them candy. The problems within muslim countries stem directly from the oppression of the non-muslim powers of the West and has nothing to do with islam. A blind man can see this and in an effort to hide the truth, the west must now use propaganda to make it seem as if the religion of islam is the cause of the wars in the Middle East and not the direct result of their cruelty on humanity.

Muslims are there own worst enemies , wake up and smell the coffee and stop blaming everyone else.

i know you were answering ayani but i couldnt stop laughing this is classic Islamic subterfuge, propaganda, call it what you will, but its what i call claptrap.

 

[YmirGF]

Then you will understand that non muslims tend to take examples from Muslims.

my overiding frustratingly simple question is ,If Islam is so perfect why do so many Muslims get it so wrong.

According to Islamic logic, it is because the human animal is very weak.
Isalm is perfect.
*giggle*
Humans animals (who created Islam, of course) are not.

Yep... that makes perfect sense.

 

[Alla Prima]

I find it absolutely fascinating that out of all of the religious figures in history, none of them come close to facing ridicule like Muhammad (pbuh).

Well gee..... why oh why could that be? Maybe because he was a murderer, rapist, misogynist, slave trader, pedophile, hater and a racist. That would do it wouldn't it.

 

[Fatihah]

This thread is purely for your entertainment we both know there is not True Islam on earth and no true Sharia, the actions of Pakistanis,Afghans,Egytians or anyonme else that calls themselves Muslims has no bearing whatsoever on what you percieve Islam to be.
Asking non muslims to produce quotes from Quran and or Sunnah to prove Islam is not a religion of Peace is a straw man argument. even Muslims cant decide what is Islam or Sharia .

Response: And once again the question goes unanswered.

 

[Fatihah]

Muslims are there own worst enemies , wake up and smell the coffee and stop blaming everyone else.

i know you were answering ayani but i couldnt stop laughing this is classic Islamic subterfuge, propaganda, call it what you will, but its what i call claptrap.

Response: The fact that you couldn't refute anything I said is evidence of who is using claptrap.

 

[YmirGF]

But Fatihah, I have now gone over every post in this thread and verified that you have not offered a single shred of proof to support what YOU are saying. I might be being silly here, but when you demand proof from others for their opinions it is then incumbent on you to provide proof for your own opinions, otherwise you are employing a double standard.

Tell me you understand this much, at least.

Right from the OP forward, you have not shown ANY supporting evidence to backup ANY of your comments, but curiously, you expect everyone else to backup everything they are saying. Is this supposed to be reasonable?

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: The answer to your question is simply, "no".

So Khilwa is not an offence and Sharia law has nothing to do with Islam,which form of Islam do you follow?

 

[Kodanshi]

So Khilwa is not an offence and Sharia law has nothing to do with Islam,which form of Islam do you follow?

 

[England my lionheart]

?????????.

 

[Kodanshi]

Fatihah follows the version of Islâm common amongst Christians who rely a lot on the Bible: ‘cherry–picking’!

 

[Fatihah]

Well then let's review shall we.



This clearly answers your request for proof that Islam isn't the religion of peace. No peaceful religion would advocate the killing people who refused to convert. This verse is in fact evil and encourages others to do evil. Islam because of this verse and many others is an evil and disgusting ideology.

So now to your response.



King never advocated killing people so your analogy is silly.

Response: My friend, it is you that quoted the hadith from Bukhari. I must first agree that the hadith does in fact state what you've quoted. But Alla Prima, no where in the entire hadith that you quoted states the word "killing" or "kill". So how can the hadith mean to "kill" and the word "kill" isn't there?

You see, what you've just done is interpolated your own words into the text. "Fight" does not mean "kill". The word "fight" has several defintions like the way I used "fight" in my analogy referring to Martin Luther King Jr. The qur'an clearly states that there is no compulsion in religion so when it is mentioned to "fight", it means to strive for islam the same way Martin Luther King Jr. strived for the rights of African Americans.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Response: The word "wali" has several definitions and "friend" is one of them. Even if we use the word "guardian/protector", then now we must know the logic as to why Allah would say that muslims can have jews and christians as friends but not as guardians. What would be the reasonable explaination?

Guardian/protector is someone like appointing a non-Muslim as a president of an Islamic country or a female Muslim taking a Jew or a Christian as a husband. The repsonsibility of a guardian is different than to a friend. Guardian is one who makes decisions, makes roles and follow roles. Friend does not have that scope at all. For example, i do have many respectful non-Muslim friends who i trust with my work and even personal life, but i would not appoint anyone of them to become my "guardian" not because they are inferior but because they are not qualified to make decisions for me as they do not abide by Islamic legal system themselves.

As for marrying jews and christians, the marriage is legal due to the fact that the jew or christian agrees to embrace islam and become muslims themselves.

That is confusing, because the same is applicable for non-Muslim man in this case! If he agrees to embrace Islam, he will be allowed to marry a Muslim woman. But if you are saying that they have to change their religion some time during their marriage then i totally disagree. That is not an obligation for them. A Jewish or a Christian wife can keep their religions if they wish. What they have to agree on is that the children will be raised as Muslims and that they shall not install anything that violates Islamic values in their children.

 

[Fatihah]

But Fatihah, I have now gone over every post in this thread and verified that you have not offered a single shred of proof to support what YOU are saying. I might be being silly here, but when you demand proof from others for their opinions it is then incumbent on you to provide proof for your own opinions, otherwise you are employing a double standard.

Tell me you understand this much, at least.

Right from the OP forward, you have not shown ANY supporting evidence to backup ANY of your comments, but curiously, you expect everyone else to backup everything they are saying. Is this supposed to be reasonable?

Response: And if you searched the thread and examined my posts, you should have stumbled across the fact that when you were not only asked the same question as for proof of your statements but was asked first, you completely dodged the request and now you are trying to request the same from me. To dodge a question then ask the same question is the double standard you are guilty of and no proof will be given until you have the decency to answer my request for proof first.

 

[ProudMuslim]

Well gee..... why oh why could that be? Maybe because he was a murderer, rapist, misogynist, slave trader, pedophile, hater and a racist. That would do it wouldn't it.

Well if he was ALL that, why is his religion attracts many Westerners? Why do many Westerners who live in a "free" society in the 21th century embrace Islam of the "7th century"? Why does this "men religion" attract more women than men in the West?

You cannot use the "spread by sword" claim here.

I am waiting for an intelligent reply.

 

[England my lionheart]

Fatihah follows the version of Islâm common amongst Christians who rely a lot on the Bible: ‘cherry–picking’!

I realised too late,i've had a long hard day,but yes absolutely