Which Islam are we talking about as there seems to be so many,and what is the figure,is it 10,100,1000 and is it more or less than the amount leaving Islam.
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Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam
- Thread starter Fatihah
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Which Islam are we talking about as there seems to be so many,and what is the figure,is it 10,100,1000 and is it more or less than the amount leaving Islam.
Response: I follow islam. As for what form, I don't know what you mean. Can you be more specific?
Fudamentalist,progressive,Wahabi,radical,Shi'ite,Sunni,Sufi etc
ayani
member
i would answer that in all likelyhood, very few converts to Islam are convinced of the faith after simply and primarily browsing through the hadith narratives.
rather, they are attracted to and convinced of Islam's truth through reading and hearing the Quran, studying Islamic beliefs and theology, watching and learning from practicing Muslims, comparing the Bible to the Quran, and even through listening to nasheeds.
yes, many men and women in the west do convert to Islam, and many Muslims today are active in women's rights issues and inter-religious dialog.
yet converts to a faith are not a sure indication that the faith chosen is true. for example, many Muslims every year convert to Christian faith. a Muslim would answer that their descision to believe that Jesus is divine and God's Son, and to turn away from Islam is foolish, and misguided. yet these conversions do happen. are they evidence that Christian faith is true? for a Muslim, the answer would be no.
so converts to a faith do not neccesarily mean that the faith is true. truth is not always indicated by numbers of believers.
rather, they are attracted to and convinced of Islam's truth through reading and hearing the Quran, studying Islamic beliefs and theology, watching and learning from practicing Muslims, comparing the Bible to the Quran, and even through listening to nasheeds.
yes, many men and women in the west do convert to Islam, and many Muslims today are active in women's rights issues and inter-religious dialog.
yet converts to a faith are not a sure indication that the faith chosen is true. for example, many Muslims every year convert to Christian faith. a Muslim would answer that their descision to believe that Jesus is divine and God's Son, and to turn away from Islam is foolish, and misguided. yet these conversions do happen. are they evidence that Christian faith is true? for a Muslim, the answer would be no.
so converts to a faith do not neccesarily mean that the faith is true. truth is not always indicated by numbers of believers.
Alla Prima
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The answer is no one is using propaganda against Islam. The propaganda is coming from Muslims who use it to present a false picture of Islam to Westerners.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
I assume they're in denial just as are the billions of people who smoke cigarettes and inject drugs into their veins are or they don't care about anyone but their own desires - or both.
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
For starters - however I don't believe it's possible for you to see any proof offered. For you there is no fault in Islam or it's prophet. You are blinded by the propaganda of Islam.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88*
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5.234
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915,* also* Number 4916* and* Number 4917*
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.
Read more about Muhammad's child bride here:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
Kodanshi
StygnosticA
And this showcases yet ANOTHER logical fallacy muslims (in particular) fall foul of: argumentum ad populum. Appeal to popularity, specifically bandwagon jumping (lots of people convert to Islâm, therefore it = true!)
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
Mohammad the murderer and slave trader:
In the spring of 627 charged with collaboration with the enemy, Muhammad mudered 6 to 8 hundred captured Quraiza men by chopping off their heads as they were made to sit on the edge of a pit then had their bodies thrown into that pit. He didn't do it personally of course but ordered his men to do it for him.
Their wives and children were sold into slavery. The money they fetched and the proceeds from their possessions of the captured Jewish tribe were distributed among the Muslims.
~Ibn Ishaq The Life of Muhammad pp 464; Waqidi, Kitab al-Maghazi, Vol. 1, pp. 176-80, 363-80, Vol. 2, pp. 496- 521; Tabari, Tarikh, Vol. 2 pp. 479-83, 550-55, 581-94; M.J Kister, "The massacre of the Banu Qurayza: A Re-examination of the Tradition," Jerusalem Studies in Arabic and Islam, Vol. 8 (1986), pp. 612-96
Alla Prima
Well-Known Member
Exactly
Response: None of these hadiths or biographies are authentic. If you claim that they are, how do you know?
kai
ragamuffin
and once again you waffle
kai
ragamuffin
I refuted everything you said or didnt you read it?
kai
ragamuffin
exactly !thats why i think its not a genuine thread but something for fatihahs entertainment, his contributions are almost childlike and bear no substance.
kai
ragamuffin
which sect ? Islam is as fragmented as any other religion
73 Divisions in Islam and One True Jama'at
Sects of Islam
Response: Dear sister, I urge you to really look this up. It is absolutely haram for a muslim man to marry a jew or christian woman if she does not plan to become a muslim, especially the case of a muslim woman marrying a jew or christian man. It would defeat the whole purpose of Muhammad's message in the first place. Not only that, it would defeat the purpose of even making Muhammad a prophet.
The whole purpose of making Muhammad a prophet in the first place was for him to spread only the religion of islam. So to marry a jew or christian without either of them agreeing to become a muslim would defeat that purpose. The muslim would be in a position where they are now condoning a religion other than islam.
kai
ragamuffin
It is permissible for a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman if she is Christian or Jewish, but it is not permissible for him to marry a non-Muslim woman who follows any religion other than these two.
Islam QA - Ruling on a Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman and vice versa
Islam QA - Ruling on a Muslim man marrying a non-Muslim woman and vice versa
Response: None of the above. I am the same as all of the other prophets, a muslim. Nothing more, nothing less. None of the prophets claimed to be a certain type and neither do I.
kai
ragamuffin
what you are a prophet? well that explains it -----but hold on, wasnt Mohamed the last of the prophets?
Response: Exactly what is the purpose of posting these hadiths?