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Propaganda: Why it is necessary for Islam

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
The answer is no one is using propaganda against Islam. The propaganda is coming from Muslims who use it to present a false picture of Islam to Westerners.

Response: Can you provide any evidence that there is no propaganda against islam? As for the propaganda of muslims towards the West, please provide examples.
 

kai

ragamuffin
Response: None of the above. I am the same as all of the other prophets, a muslim. Nothing more, nothing less. None of the prophets claimed to be a certain type and neither do I.

Perhaps i took that the wrong way , but yes i think you did ,you said i am the same as all the OTHER prophets, so you are the same as Isa ? do you attend synagogue then?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Response: Can you provide any evidence that there is no propaganda against islam? As for the propaganda of muslims towards the West, please provide examples.

British universities are fostering extremism through Islamic study centres which were set up to tackle that very same threat, an academic warned yesterday.
The centres, funded by multi-million-pound donations from Saudi Arabia and Muslim organisations, have been earmarked by the Government as a key component in the drive to counter radicalisation.
But according to a report by Professor Anthony Glees, the director of Brunel University's Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies, some are proving to be counter-productive.
He said the centres peddled one-sided views of Islam and the Middle East, tantamount to anti-Western propaganda.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Response: Can you provide any evidence that there is no propaganda against islam? As for the propaganda of muslims towards the West, please provide examples.

Of course there is propaganda against Islam like the DVD Obsession which most people would not watch,propaganda against Islam is just not needed.
 

ProudMuslim

Active Member
i would answer that in all likelyhood, very few converts to Islam are convinced of the faith after simply and primarily browsing through the hadith narratives.

rather, they are attracted to and convinced of Islam's truth through reading and hearing the Quran, studying Islamic beliefs and theology, watching and learning from practicing Muslims, comparing the Bible to the Quran, and even through listening to nasheeds.

yes, many men and women in the west do convert to Islam, and many Muslims today are active in women's rights issues and inter-religious dialog.

yet converts to a faith are not a sure indication that the faith chosen is true. for example, many Muslims every year convert to Christian faith. a Muslim would answer that their descision to believe that Jesus is divine and God's Son, and to turn away from Islam is foolish, and misguided. yet these conversions do happen. are they evidence that Christian faith is true? for a Muslim, the answer would be no.

so converts to a faith do not neccesarily mean that the faith is true. truth is not always indicated by numbers of believers.

Your reply is not relevant to my question at all, as i was not relating the conversions to the accurateness of a religion.

That question is directed to Alla Prima. She labeled the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) with many despicable descriptions. So i was asking why would civilized people living in a free society in this century are attracted to the teaching of this man if indeed he was evil? Simple and pure.
 

ProudMuslim

Active Member
Which Islam are we talking about as there seems to be so many,and what is the figure,is it 10,100,1000 and is it more or less than the amount leaving Islam.

Islam although practiced differently by some Muslims, it remains to be one. But since you asked this question i will revert it back to you, which Islam do you keep criticizing?

I don't have accurate number of conversions.
 

ProudMuslim

Active Member
And this showcases yet ANOTHER logical fallacy muslims (in particular) fall foul of: argumentum ad populum. Appeal to popularity, specifically bandwagon jumping (lots of people convert to Islâm, therefore it = true!)

Again the perfect argument of (some) atheists: twist words, make up lies and present them as facts. Where did i use Islam popularity to imply it is the true religion? I didn't. You see a lot of people become atheists, does this mean atheism is rational or the way to live your life?

But when you depict someone as basically the anti-Christ, of course you should expect some challenges to proof your accusations and explain facts and realities that refute your claims. That is only if you want to engage in constructive and objective debate, but if you are only interested in arguing for the sake of argument then of course such comments will be considered as "fallacy". The easiest way out.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Islam although practiced differently by some Muslims, it remains to be one. But since you asked this question i will revert it back to you, which Islam do you keep criticizing?

I don't have accurate number of conversions.

The one that ignores Human rights,the one that says the Quran is the complete word of God but relies on Ahadith and Sunna to understand it,the one that has'nt progressed in 1400 years,the one that denies what is in black and white,the one that cannot stand up to criticism or even critique itself.
There are supposedly 1.5 billion Muslims,however not all follow true Islam as nobody knows what true Islam is yet many share the same "holier than thou" attitude,the criticisms of Islam are of the Muslims now not the Muslims of 1400 years ago,Muhammed was a great historical figure and achieved many conquests,however Islam has met it's nemesis in what you would term as the West.
 
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McBell

Unbound
well he is a muslim and you aren't. if the hadith contradicts the quran, then it is false.
This has nothing to do with me.
So stop trying to make it personal.
You will lose and lose badly.

IF the best answer you and he can come up with is "Because I am a Muslim and you are not" then your answer is pretty much worthless and I will leave ya'll alone with your exclusive club.

However, I will wait and see if he even bothers to answer the question.
He, like so many other "devoted" theists, tends to ignore what he dislikes.
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
This has nothing to do with me.
So stop trying to make it personal.
You will lose and lose badly.

IF the best answer you and he can come up with is "Because I am a Muslim and you are not" then your answer is pretty much worthless and I will leave ya'll alone with your exclusive club.

However, I will wait and see if he even bothers to answer the question.
He, like so many other "devoted" theists, tends to ignore what he dislikes.

but i tolled you, if it contradicts the quran it is false.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
but i tolled you, if it contradicts the quran it is false.
Ok, Eselam, hang on to your shorts, because you are correct. This is largely the way the authenticity of a particular ayat is gauged.
(Can you believe it, Eselam, I just agreed with you.)
Allah akbar, eh, baby?

PS: Just for your information, and this is NOT meant as a criticism, but the word "tolled" is incorrect. The actual English word you wish to use, in this context, is "told".
Just trying to be helpful. If I ever get around to learning your native tongue, hopefully you would be kind enough to correct my errors. ;)
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Ok, Eselam, hang on to your shorts, because you are correct. This is largely the way the authenticity of a particular ayat is gauged.
(Can you believe it, Eselam, I just agreed with you.)
Allah akbar, eh, baby?

Allahu Ekberr indeed. you know there is an albanian saying that we use when something unexpected happens this is it "something's going to die" we ussualy say a donkey or something. we just sort of make fun of the person who made the change or the unexpected thing.

i really can't believe you actually agree with me, you know i will have to frubal you.

PS: Just for your information, and this is NOT meant as a criticism, but the word "tolled" is incorrect. The actual English word you wish to use, in this context, is "told".
Just trying to be helpful. If I ever get around to learning your native tongue, hopefully you would be kind enough to correct my errors. ;)

ok i'll remember that, sice i have been told about it:D
 

Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Even if it's Sahih?

well yeah, most hadiths or maybe some have been tampered with, so it doesn't matter if it is sahih, there also might not be anything in the quran that relates to a hadith, so all the same hadith are gathered untill it is proved which is right and wrong, but still trying to find a connection to the quran. if one hadith contradicts the other, then the scholars try to get something from the quran to see wich of those 2 are correct.
 
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