PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

[RagnarLothbrok]

First. What is truth as you ask. Something you want to see incarnate? Sometimes when something is asked it means you already have it.

Truth for me is something which is true. For example, for me the round earth theory is true, however the flat earth theory is not.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Sure. Christianity fits the definition of a religion;

"Religion [is] a cultural system of designated behaviors and practices, worldviews, texts, sanctified places, prophecies, ethics, or organizations, that relates humanity to supernatural, transcendental, or spiritual elements."
source: Wikipedia​

So, Christianity is not a fake religion, but a true religion. Not a true overnight bag, a true pasta dinner, or a true pipe fitting in aisle 11 at Home Depot, but a true religion. And as such, exists as at least one example that proves your contention, all religions are fake, to be wrong.
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Quite so, as far as it goes. You left out, however, the fact that being a "true religion" says nothing whatever about whether that religion expresses some essential truth. I would venture to say that the religions of Mesoamerica of long ago were "true religions" as well, but they did not speak true when they asserted that the gods demanded living sacrifices in order to make the rain come or the crops grow.

 

[MonkeyFire]

I'm a religous pacifist.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

I'll bite. First some yes/no questions for you:

Does the year follow a cyclical motion of seasons?
Do we, as humans, depend upon nature and the Earth for sustenance?
Do our stories and legends allow for human memory to extend well beyond one's lifetime?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

I can explain in simple terms why God makes logical sense, and what manner of gods we are dealing with.
I started a thread about that, but no one was interested.
Don't want to do that on this thread, though.

I would love to read it, your choice though.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I believe that no religion is real, I want people to convince me wrong. I did not mean to say that you all believe in something that is not true. Everyone believe what they want, the only thing I do not support is parents making you believe what they want, meaning your faith is basically determined where you are born, as what I believe happens to 99% of the humans in the world.

My question is by what criteria are you judging what's a real religion and what's false?

If someone told you Zues is real because they worship this god, by what criteria would you use to know whether it is universality true or false rather than base on your experience and definition of whats supposed to be true for other people?

That, and you don't need to be convinced to learn something from someone else. If it's not true to you, that's okay. Everyone's truth is different. Many christians try to say their truth is THE truth but if you disagree, it's only their opinion not the belief of the whole.

So, since there is so much variety in how people see and live religion, by what criteria are you using to determine what would convince you and why do you need to be convinced to learn something?

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Be back later, have stuff to do

I'll bite. First some yes/no questions for you:

Does the year follow a cyclical motion of seasons?
Do we, as humans, depend upon nature and the Earth for sustenance?
Do our stories and legends allow for human memory to extend well beyond one's lifetime?

I am sorry as my English is not that good. From what I understood
1.) Do i believe in seasons? Yes
2.) Does nature perfectly fit us humans to live? Yes
3.) Not sure what that means

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

My question is by what criteria are you judging what's a real religion and what's false?

If someone told you Zues is real because they worship this god, by what criteria would you use to know whether it is universality true or false rather than base on your experience and definition of whats supposed to be true for other people?

That, and you don't need to be convinced to learn something from someone else. If it's not true to you, that's okay. Everyone's truth is different. Many christians try to say their truth is THE truth but if you disagree, it's only their opinion not the belief of the whole.

So, since there is so much variety in how people see and live religion, by what criteria are you using to determine what would convince you and why do you need to be convinced to learn something?

Of course, I want to learn from the process of debate, while someone is trying to convince me wrong.
For me, I like to depend on my logic and science to see whether something is real or not.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

If anyone has missed this, I wrote a little something about some of the reasons I think that all religions are fake.

I do not see any point why if there is a God he would come to our world and tell us to be good and love and worship him. When I think of God, I think of someone with great power, which can do anything that he want with a snap of a finger, since he created the universe. In most religions, I see God coming in a form of a man, and struggling. If he wants us to know about him, I think that it could be easier than for example Jesus Christ, having to live 30 years as a man, do many good things to bad people, get tortured and killed, and then come back to life. Another example of how I question religion is, imagine if you are a God, imagine you are playing sims, would you go and as a man and tell your people "Hey I am a good person and I love you all. Be good and love me". I do not think that if God is so great, that someone else overcome him to make a "Hell" for the bad people. For me religion seems like a strategy of controlling people. Tell your people to be good so that they can enjoy a perfect afterlife or if they are bad they will burn in fire. I can list many more things but I will take it a bit slow.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is like saying there is no proof that I am God. For something to be real, there needs to be proof.
However sorry for my ignorance, do you mean there is no way to get proof for some certain things?

You must shift your definition of proof to relate to the definitions each religion defines it.

For example, you can tell someone all day you are supposed to ear cereal with a spoon. Not everything works the same for all; our criteria for what works for me varies. I get sick when I drink milk so I use a fork to eat cereal. It softens the cereal but I'm not taking in a full spoon of milk.

This is what works for me. Everyone indifferent.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

3.) Not sure what that means

Essentially, do you know about people long dead (for example, Erik the Red or William Wallace) because of the stories that are told about them?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Of course, I want to learn from the process of debate, while someone is trying to convince me wrong.
For me, I like to depend on my logic and science to see whether something is real or not.

What do you mean by logic and science?

God can be proved by logic and science but you have shift your definition to incorporate criteria of proof that works for religion is seperate than proof that works for why the earth spins.

Shift your perspective. Religion is psychological, cultural, and highly subjective. Using the wrong instrument to judge if what people give you is truth won't convince you. You gotta shift your point of reference and criteria.

By definition, supernatural religions aren't scientific regardless the type.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Essentially, do you know about people long dead (for example, Erik the Red or William Wallace) because of the stories that are told about them?

Yes I do know about them

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

What do you mean by logic and science?

God can be proved by logic and science but you have shift your definition to incorporate criteria of proof that works for religion is seperate than proof that works for why the earth spins.

Shift your perspective. Religion is psychological, cultural, and highly subjective. Using the wrong instrument to judge if what people give you is truth won't convince you. You gotta shift your point of reference and criteria.

By definition, supernatural religions aren't scientific regardless the type.

Perhaps you mistake my position. I do believe in a God, I just do not believe that he came to tell us he is there.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

If you need convincing then I would say your correct that it's likely it's not all true.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

You must shift your definition of proof to relate to the definitions each religion defines it.

For example, you can tell someone all day you are supposed to ear cereal with a spoon. Not everything works the same for all; our criteria for what works for me varies. I get sick when I drink milk so I use a fork to eat cereal. It softens the cereal but I'm not taking in a full spoon of milk.

This is what works for me. Everyone indifferent.

That is a bad example. If we use your example, you could say you can tell someone all day that the earth is round. But not everything works for all, our criteria for what works for me varies. I get look outside the window and I see a flat surface.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

If you need convincing then I would say your correct that it's likely it's not all true.

Indeed, if one religion is true, than all others are all fake. But i believe all of them are fake.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

1.) Do i believe in seasons? Yes
2.) Does nature perfectly fit us humans to live? Yes
3.) Yes I do know about them

By these, Heathenry is true.

1. Our yearly holidays and observations celebrate this cycle of seasons, and the fact of their existence and occurrence. During these, we recognize and celebrate the natural forces which we observe as gods.
2. We routinely worship as sacred our natural environment, and recognize our complete dependence upon it.
3. We celebrate those who have gone before us, keeping alive their memory and spirit through the stories told of their fame or infamy.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

By these, Heathenry is true.

1. Our yearly holidays and observations celebrate this cycle of seasons, and the fact of their existence and occurrence. During these, we recognize and celebrate the natural forces which we observe as gods.
2. We routinely worship as sacred our natural environment, and recognize our complete dependence upon it.
3. We celebrate those who have gone before us, keeping alive their memory and spirit through the stories told of their fame or infamy.

So if I make a religion and writing in my book that the earth is round it is true?

 

[lukethethird]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

Fake? What gave us away, substituting flesh and blood with wine and wafers?