PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

[RagnarLothbrok]

Fake? What gave us away, substituting flesh and blood with wine and wafers?

That is nothing compared to the other reasons.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Perhaps you mistake my position. I do believe in a God, I just do not believe that he came to tell us he is there.

Which there's nothing wrong with that. But you said religions, though not specific to god. What criteria and goal do you need religious to convince you of per OP?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

So if I make a religion and writing in my book that the earth is round it is true?

I guess that depends on any of your claims.

Can you find error or falsehood in any of the core beliefs of Heathenry?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That is a bad example. If we use your example, you could say you can tell someone all day that the earth is round. But not everything works for all, our criteria for what works for me varies. I get look outside the window and I see a flat surface.

If someone decide to proof all religions are fake, by what criteria do you use to judge whether that's convincing or not?

Religion means different things for different people. It's hard to prove religions are fake because there are soo many.

What do you mean by logic and science, though? Each religion has their own criteria of truth so it's not logical to ask someone to convince you a religion is fake when one person's truth is another person's falsehood.

Unless you have a specific religion in mind to prove false. The more specific the question, the better we have an idea of what you are asking.

 

[Skwim]

By saying "all religions are fake" I do not mean the man-made definition that was given. I mean the actual "god" that each religion is built up on. Is that religion real? Or was it made by humans? That is what I am asking.

In that all religions are constructed by humans, evidently you're asking if their god is what, real? So, does your statement really comes down to addressing the notion that all religions are fake because their god(s) are fake? Is that it?

Just keep in mind that not all religions have a god(s).

Hinduism neither depends on the existence or non-existence of God or Gods.
Shintoism has no god.
Jainism has no specific god.
Confucianism has no god.
Satanism has no god.
Taoism has no god.
Scientology has no god.

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[Kenny]

How?

People changed what they believed

 

[Jainarayan]

For a religious debate. I thought it was obvious since I made this topic in the forum "Religious debates"

I understand that, but I don't think there's an answer to it. Religion, faith and beliefs are highly subjective. As another poster said, it's true for the person. Hinduism is true for me. I can't tell you what would draw you to it. I can only say it makes sense to me, but I honestly don't know if the theology and cosmology is true. I believe it is, and I hope it is, but that's about as far as I can go.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Indeed, if one religion is true, than all others are all fake. But i believe all of them are fake.

Well Buddhism has fake aspects to it. Not all of it is going to be true. That's actually a relief for me.

If it was touted as a religion being completely true, I might as well have stayed with Christianity with all the stained glass and Rose Colored Glasses intact with all the drama mystique and intrigue that comes with it! ;0]

 

[lukethethird]

Indeed, if one religion is true, than all others are all fake. But i believe all of them are fake.

I'm not trying to bait you but is hockey a fake religion?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

All the religions that I'm aware of are real. I'm not interested in convincing you about what I believe and couldn't do it if I wanted to. If you don't believe, that's OK with me. It won't change whether I believe or not. There are a lot of religions that I don't believe in either. They haven't complained to me personally and I see that some of them are still around, so my lack of support hasn't had much of an effect.

 

[siti]

PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

The contention is that all religions are "fake". "Fake" means "inauthentic" - it is not the same as "false" which is the opposite of "true". "Fake" means it is not what it purports to be - so, in the context of the further comments you have made about not thinking that God came to tell us things (about morality, his existence etc.) you seem to be really objecting to the idea of divine revelation rather than religion per se. There are, of course, religions that don't have divine revelation as a doctrinal element...but leaving that technicality aside, what you seem to be saying is that you don't believe that God has revealed himself through religious texts or traditions? Is that right?

If that is correct, then what test would you propose to determine whether or not a particular communication came from God or not? How could you possibly know that Moses or Muhammad (for example) either did or did not receive genuine communications from God? Presumably, especially since there are almost invariably no other witnesses around to corroborate, only they would know that. And only I would know whether I had received divine confirmation of what I believe was revealed to them and came to me by transmission.

I suspect - contrary to your claim - that divine revelations might be among the most authentic (i.e. least "fake") experiences of all - but only to the people who receive them! But that tells us nothing about what is actually "true" - whatever that means.

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Are you really 55?

Does it matter?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

Let me ask you one simple question and answer with a "yes" or a "no" ( This goes to anyone). If there is a real religion, do you agree that all the others are fake? ----- And another question right after this----- If you agree that 99.99999% of the religions are fake, do you think that it is possible that 100% of them are fake?

A lot depends on how you define fake. The religions of this world are man made. They do not follow the true teachings of God but the people making them did not make them false on purpose. They really believed what they were doing so the religion is real to them. God will reveal the true religion to people some day. Until then we have only the man made religions.

 

[siti]

A lot depends on how you define fake. The religions of this world are man made. They do not follow the true teachings of God but the people making them did not make them false on purpose. They really believed what they were doing so the religion is real to them. God will reveal the true religion to people some day. Until then we have only the man made religions.

And how will we know?

 

[dianaiad]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

Your claim: "All religions are fake"
The burden of proof is on you, not on us.

As in, not our job.

Besides, you haven't given us the level of evidence you would consider to be proof.

For instance, I have, several times, heard atheists/anti-theists flatly say that if God Himself came down and declared, Personally, that He existed and that a specific belief system about Him was the 'right' one, that they would not consider that to be sufficient proof.

(shrug)

So...again, your problem, your burden of proof.

 

[siti]

For instance, I have, several times, heard atheists/anti-theists flatly say that if God Himself came down and declared, Personally, that He existed and that a specific belief system about Him was the 'right' one, that they would not consider that to be sufficient proof.

Did He...by any chance? Just as a matter of interest.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

Raelism claims to have incontestable proof from the Old Testament and other books that it is true. I have never seen an argument last against it.
In the mean time, since Raelism believes in most of the other religions, find me two verses from two other religions that contradict or a verse you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt untrue.

In the mean time, it is a religion my parents detest.

 

[LuisDantas]

To all those saying why? Because this is a forum for religious debates, and I for one like controversial debates such as these. I can learn new stuff and maybe others can learn from me aswell, I love these hot topics and I am sorry if it annoys you, if you want you can not read at all.

If I may, a bit less of a confrontational attitude and a bit more of asking and listening may be very helpful.

Also, what exactly are you accepting as a valid religion, and what does it mean whether it is true or false?

 

[shunyadragon]

That is like saying there is no proof that I am God. For something to be real, there needs to be proof.
However sorry for my ignorance, do you mean there is no way to get proof for some certain things?

The simple answer is for subjective philosophical/theological beliefs there is no objective verifiable evidence either way, therefore no provable argument.

'Proof' is a trappy word that only really applies to math and logic, and logical argument proofs which are dependent on the premises and rules of logic. For example many Christian apologists offer arguments for the existence of God. The problem is one needs to accept the premises of the arguments, and therefore the conclusions for the arguments to be 'proven.' Only those who would accept the premises will accept the accept the conclusions. 'Catch 22.'

On the reverse of the coin there is no possible proof that God(s) do not exist, because of the flawed 'argument from ignorance.'

 

[shunyadragon]

Raelism claims to have incontestable proof from the Old Testament and other books that it is true. I have never seen an argument last against it.
In the mean time, since Raelism believes in most of the other religions, find me two verses from two other religions that contradict or a verse you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt untrue.

In the mean time, it is a religion my parents detest.

The problem with the Old Testament it is collection of historically questionable books of poor provenance, Believing they are true is simply based on the belief that it is true without evidence.