PROVE ME WRONG... All religions are fake.

[Sir Doom]

Narcissistic Solipsistic Nihilism, good luck.

 

[robocop (actually)]

The problem with the Old Testament it is collection of historically questionable books of poor provenance, Believing they are true is simply based on the belief that it is true without evidence.

Like I said, what about the Old Testament is untrue beyond a shadow of a doubt? In Genesis 1:2 it says that the Ruach of God MRChPT over the waters. MRChPT in this case means to hover in and out of being recognized. At some points God wants to be seen and at other points he wants to be doubted. Likewise there are some ways of looking at the Old Testament that have more evidence apparent than others.

Again, my challenge:
Raelism claims to have incontestable proof from the Old Testament and other books that it is true. I have never seen an argument last against it.
In the mean time, since Raelism believes in most of the other religions, find me two verses from two other religions that contradict or a verse you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt untrue.

In the mean time, it is a religion my parents detest.

 

[allfoak]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

Religions are corrupt not fake.

 

[shunyadragon]

Like I said, what about the Old Testament is untrue beyond a shadow of a doubt? In Genesis 1:2 it says that the Ruach of God MRChPT over the waters. MRChPT in this case means to hover in and out of being recognized. At some points God wants to be seen and at other points he wants to be doubted. Likewise there are some ways of looking at the Old Testament that have more evidence apparent than others.

Again, my challenge:
Raelism claims to have incontestable proof from the Old Testament and other books that it is true. I have never seen an argument last against it.
In the mean time, since Raelism believes in most of the other religions, find me two verses from two other religions that contradict or a verse you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt untrue.

In the mean time, it is a religion my parents detest.

Your challenge is as meaningless as it can get. A UFO religion based on what? Pure speculation and absolutely no evidence.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Your challenge is as meaningless as it can get. A UFO religion based on what? Pure speculation and absolutely no evidence.

Actually there are many verses in the Bible about UFOs and Aliens, along with the Koran, Buddhist scripture and the Book of Mormon. For instance, when the cloud gave light to the Israelites and smoke to the Egyptians while they were making their way to the Red Sea, it could have been a modified UFO. When many verses about modern technology are shown, it becomes proof. Especially since new results happen every so often to confirm it.

But thank you for MRChPhTing on my post; it is helpful if people doubt me.

 

[shunyadragon]

Actually there are many verses in the Bible about UFOs and Aliens, along with the Koran, Buddhist scripture and the Book of Mormon. For instance, when the cloud gave light to the Israelites and smoke to the Egyptians while they were making their way to the Red Sea, it could have been a modified UFO. When many verses about modern technology are shown, it becomes proof. Especially since new results happen every so often to confirm it.

But thank you for MRChPhTing on my post; it is helpful if people doubt me.

Again . . . all this speculative interpretation of bad dreams visions, mirages, eating funky mushrooms, hallucinations, and like many people today that have a very creative imagination. Please provide on objectively verifiable evidence for aliens or a UFO.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

speculative interpretation of bad dreams visions, eating mushrooms, hallucinations, and like many people today that have a very creative imagination

You do realize that could describe your religion, right? Practically every religion? "UFO's and mythical deities, they must be bonkers! Jesus raising from the dead and angels floating about? Absolutely truth!"

Load a' mess.

 

[shunyadragon]

You do realize that could describe your religion, right? Practically every religion? "UFO's and mythical deities, they must be bonkers! Jesus raising from the dead and angels floating about? Absolutely truth!"

Load a' mess.

My belief remains that includes my belief in God, and my religion as not objectively provable. My argument with @robocop (actually) is his claim of proof and that there is objective evidence to support his view of the OT, aliens, and UFO's.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Looks as reasonable to That what the OT describes is an unidentified, flying object.

 

[arthra]

In my belief there is truth in all religions....

"All religions are essentially the same in their goal of developing a good human heart so that we may become better human beings."

Essay on Religion and Peace: The Truth in all Religions

"When Bahá'ís say that the various religions are one, they do not mean that the various religious creeds and organizations are the same. Rather, they believe that there is only one religion and all of the Messengers of God have progressively revealed its nature. Together, the world's great religions are expressions of a single unfolding Divine plan, "the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future."

How Bahá'ís view other religions

"The Parliament of the World's Religions was created to cultivate harmony among the world's religious and spiritual communities and foster their engagement with the world and its guiding institutions in order to achieve a just, peaceful and sustainable world."

About Us | parliamentofreligions.org

 

[Jim]

Insert arguments below
Name your religion and convince me that it is true

My religion is learning to follow Baha'u'llah. It's true by definition, because I call what i'm doing, "learning to follow Baha'u'llah."

 

[Jim]

Of course, I want to learn from the process of debate, while someone is trying to convince me wrong.
For me, I like to depend on my logic and science to see whether something is real or not.

I responded to your original post before I read the rest of the thread. I'll take you at your word that you're open to learning something from people's responses to your challenge. I hope you'll be open to a response that is not in the same terms as your question. I would like to try to convince you to experiment with learning to follow Baha'u'llah. First I'll give you some background on my current views about religion and religions, which are always continually evolving. I think that learning to love, trust and follow Baha'u'llah is the best thing that can happen to anyone in our time, and what the world needs most of all, for human progress, and to right the wrongs and repair the damage. I think that was also true of Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and a few others, for some time after their appearances. I don't think that the Baha'i Faith is true and others are false, but the Baha'i Faith might be less corrupted than the others because it has had less time to be corrupted.

I don't think that the word "God" in religious scriptures has any fixed meaning. I think that all references to "God" in the scriptures are analogies, and you can imagine anything you want to in the place of God, for the analogy to work, as long as you don't think that what you're imagining actually exists or is real. I think that whatever anyone, including you, imagines when they think of God, is not real, does not actually exist. When the scriptures say that God says or does this or that, what they actually mean is either something that some prophetic figures in religious lore say or do, or something that happens by what I'll call "divine assistance," powers and influences in us and in the world around us that help us improve ourselves and help improve the world for all people everywhere.

That's just some background about my way of thinking. What I want to try to convince you of, is to experiment with learning to follow Baha'u'llah.

 

[Jumi]

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So you make a claim and want everyone to work to disprove it.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

A lot of replies, I am sorry as I had to sleep, I will try to reply to all of them.

So you make a claim and want everyone to work to disprove it.

There are many people like Jumi who said this but I already made a claim and posted it two times but no one replied. In case you missed it here it is.
"I do not see any point why if there is a God he would come to our world and tell us to be good and love and worship him. When I think of God, I think of someone with great power, which can do anything that he want with a snap of a finger, since he created the universe. In most religions, I see God coming in a form of a man, and struggling. If he wants us to know about him, I think that it could be easier than for example Jesus Christ, having to live 30 years as a man, do many good things to bad people, get tortured and killed, and then come back to life. Another example of how I question religion is, imagine if you are a God, imagine you are playing sims, would you go and as a man and tell your people "Hey I am a good person and I love you all. Be good and love me". I do not think that if God is so great, that someone else overcome him to make a "Hell" for the bad people. For me religion seems like a strategy of controlling people. Tell your people to be good so that they can enjoy a perfect afterlife or if they are bad they will burn in fire. I can list many more things but I will take it a bit slow."

If anyone else will say that I did not say anything to be argumented against, I will ignore it, I think posting 3 times without anyone replying to you and getting criticized for not having that post is enough.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

There are many saying "define fake", "it is not fake if it achieves its goal."
For me fake is not real. I am trying to mean that none of the religions existed in real life, they were made by men to control people, if that is how you want me to tell it.

It is very simple, for me flat earth theory is fake, round earth theory is real/true.

I do not like the concept of a "true religion". Achieving truth by making people good and be happy. For me personally, I would not want to be a good man just because a religion is telling me to. I do not want to be scared of doing bad things just because I am scared to burn in hell. I do not want to be a good man just because I want to enjoy an eternal afterlife. I want to be a good man because I want to be a good man. And I would rather do it with reason and logic rather than religion.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

There are many replies and I am at work, if I missed anyone especially from earlier pages please let me know.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Your claim: "All religions are fake"
The burden of proof is on you, not on us.

As in, not our job.

Besides, you haven't given us the level of evidence you would consider to be proof.

For instance, I have, several times, heard atheists/anti-theists flatly say that if God Himself came down and declared, Personally, that He existed and that a specific belief system about Him was the 'right' one, that they would not consider that to be sufficient proof.

(shrug)

So...again, your problem, your burden of proof.

See my previous posts

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Well Buddhism has fake aspects to it. Not all of it is going to be true. That's actually a relief for me.

If it was touted as a religion being completely true, I might as well have stayed with Christianity with all the stained glass and Rose Colored Glasses intact with all the drama mystique and intrigue that comes with it! ;0]

I think if God made a religion, it would be perfect and without any fake aspects.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Narcissistic Solipsistic Nihilism, good luck.

I lose

 

[Jumi]

"I do not see any point why if there is a God he would come to our world and tell us to be good and love and worship him.

Neither do I. Why would something completely alien and different to us require worship?

When I think of God, I think of someone with great power, which can do anything that he want with a snap of a finger, since he created the universe.

So your God is a supermagician type creator god. Not the only type, but one which antitheists and literalist theists from religions popular in much in the world like to debate based on their gut.

In most religions, I see God coming in a form of a man, and struggling. If he wants us to know about him, I think that it could be easier than for example Jesus Christ, having to live 30 years as a man, do many good things to bad people, get tortured and killed, and then come back to life. Another example of how I question religion is, imagine if you are a God, imagine you are playing sims, would you go and as a man and tell your people "Hey I am a good person and I love you all. Be good and love me". I do not think that if God is so great, that someone else overcome him to make a "Hell" for the bad people. For me religion seems like a strategy of controlling people. Tell your people to be good so that they can enjoy a perfect afterlife or if they are bad they will burn in fire. I can list many more things but I will take it a bit slow."

That's all nice, but completely specific some type of Christianity.

If anyone else will say that I did not say anything to be argumented against, I will ignore it, I think posting 3 times without anyone replying to you and getting criticized for not having that post is enough.

That's not what I was criticizing. It was making a claim without offering anything for debate and then asking others to refute it. A common deal on internet fora for sure, but not conducive to any discussion worth your time.