darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
A penis and a vagina, it is less uncommon than you think.
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Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist
- Thread starter Gharib
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A penis and a vagina, it is less uncommon than you think.
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Yes, but you are denying the fact that the majority of the time the twins are raised in the same environment. Since the percentages correlate with similar likelihood of religiosity, extroversion etc. etc. (known traits that are highly influenced by your upbringing) how do you know how large, or rather how small, a role Genetics really play? Hence, the ideal percentages should be around 80% likelihood of identical brothers being gay. This only serves to demonstrate that Genetics is really a poor indicator of how we turn out. Similar to how Schizophrenia and violence are not influenced, to a large extent by Genetics.
Wrong. For example, did you watch the Olympics? That woman that outclassed everyone, they made a gender test on her... the results was the she was actually XY (Females are XX, males are XY) and I think she had some male physological characteristics and lacked some female ones. She was a hermaphrodite/intersex (not sure which word has which meaning).
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Eseslam, there are individuals that are born with the sex organs of both a man and a women. Hermaphrodites can be effeminate or masculine. They feel trapped inside another person's body a man inside a women or vice versa. Normally, Islam prohibits sex changes and commands one to be grateful for what Allah has provided. However, since Hermaphrodites breach the standard of only two genders and suffer for it, they are allowed to and require a Muslim doctor to remove on set of sexual organs. I would think coinciding with their personality.
In order to understand your post I need to know what you meant, don´t I
? What did you mean?Again... sorry to be slow, I don´t function very well when I am tired.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Isn't Allah kind. He creates people with 2 organs specifically breaching his own rules....
what more needs to be said?
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Nothing, I understand that the word disorder may seem harsh to some, but it wasn't meant to be used in a condemning manner, similar to redheads. Simply the larger majority of people turn out hetrosexual. That and I refuse to search through the pages of this thread for one wordIn order to understand your post I need to know what you meant, don´t I
So, until they have gone through a sex change, all sexual activity is prohibited for them? How is that fair or right?
Commoner
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Well, you simply compare them to people being raised in the same environment (same family) that are not related. And some (although very rare) studies with identical twins that have been separated at birth have also been done - but I don't know if they've been done for homosexuality.
Anyway, in most such studies many factors are considered. I agree that my projection is completely irrelavant in proving any real result. I was simply trying to point out that what might seem like a small chance (30-50%) might in fact imply a very strong correlation. I only explained it because you said that 50% seemed low - but in fact it could be a very high number considering the relative scarcity of homosexuality in the general population.
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Gharib
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Isn't Allah kind. He creates people with 2 organs specifically breaching his own rules....
how do you know it's not some genetic dissorder? like a mutation or something??
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What are you talking about? Are you angry because this isn't an ideal world and Humans aren't ideal creatures? What would be the point of a Human then? We are born with trials in order to test our faith and convictions in Allah. A Hermaphrodite is born with a test from birth. But, have you stopped to think, that perhaps the greater the test the greater the reward? Perhaps the devout women born a hermaphrodite will be given a greater reward for her struggles. If we were to be perfect, we would be useless. Allah already has Angels, perfect beings that do not question Allah or have the ability to think of their actions. Humans are the special creation of Allah because we endure pain and tribulations for our faith.Isn't Allah kind. He creates people with 2 organs specifically breaching his own rules....
I would say that is a possibility, but there are probably other explanations as well... if you want to know the reason for them to exist I would suggest doing some reasurch (how do you spell that word?), it can be quite enlightening I guess
. Anyway, fact is they exist, what I wonder is about your position about them?
McBell
Unbound
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You forget that Muslims do not engage in intercourse until they marry. A Hermaphrodite should not marry because he/she has no idea what gender they are. Marrying a man or a women may result in a Gay marriage. Also a Hermaphrodite would, presumably, get a sex change as earliest as possible. Getting a sex change say at 3 would mean that even among other standards he/she wouldn't have missed out on much.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
I would say that is a possibility, but there are probably other explanations as well... if you want to know the reason for them to exist I would suggest doing some reasurch (how do you spell that word?), it can be quite enlightening I guess
i had never heard of someone beign a male and female at the same time, can't really say nothing.
First, I do not believe for a second all muslims actually does that any more then I believe everyone of Christianity does (they have the same view, if I am not mistaken). Second, it cannot result in a gay marriage, since they are not exclusively male or female. Therefore they do not have the same sex as their partner... unless you count other hermaphrodites, of course.
But what about when they are not aware that they are hermaphrodites? What if they discover it after they already have married?
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Angry no. I just think its rediculous for Allah to create hemaphrodites that go against the rules he created making them outcasts. I don't see how being a hemaphrodite is a test, do you?
What about babies who die of AID's because of their parents? What happens to their souls. Do they go to hell because of their parents sins? Where is their test?
I would be interested to hear it, though. If you want you can always take your time and think about it.
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Yes Allah is all knowing. He created us as beings who could think, decipher, and most importantly argue. If Allah created us and put those who sinned into Hell and others into Heaven preemptively (similar to Predestination?), then his creations would argue give me a chance, let me show my faith. He created us to demonstrate to Shaitan(Satan), that Humans are superior to Angels. Humans have the ability to think, Angels do not. To show Shaitan on Judgment Day, behold the Humans they are superior. They were offered choices, yet the chose Allah. To show to the non-believer, behold the believer they also were offered choices, yet they chose Allah. To demonstrate that Humanity eventually corrects itself and sets out in the path of Allah.
Not marriage in the traditional sense. That is it doesn't prevent prostitution so long as they are married during the act and then divorced right after.