Proving the existence of Allah (swt) to an atheist

[Gharib]

I would be interested to hear it, though. If you want you can always take your time and think about it.

no thanks. i don't know what science and islam says about it. can't say nothing about it. at this point in time i guess i'm neutral about it.

and just to say something, i think this is all lie. just as how animals are supposedly homosexual. can i see some proof. appart from that female african runner. i don't think she has a penis. if she does then i will consider it as evidence.

 

[Gharib]

Not marriage in the traditional sense. That is it doesn't prevent prostitution so long as they are married during the act and then divorced right after.

are you talking about the temporary marriages? if so they are forbiden in islam.

 

[Bismillah]

First, I do not believe for a second all muslims actually does that any more then I believe everyone of Christianity does (they have the same view, if I am not mistaken). Second, it cannot result in a gay marriage, since they are not exclusively male or female. Therefore they do not have the same sex as their partner... unless you count other hermaphrodites, of course.

But what about when they are not aware that they are hermaphrodites? What if they discover it after they already have married?

Then you would be surprised. It is from my own personal experience that I say this. How would a person not know if they are an Hermaphrodite? A person would, most likely, choose the sex that most describes him i.e masculine hermaphrodites choose to be males. If a Hermaphrodite is dominantly male and is already married to a man is that not Homosexuality (after the surgery)?

 

[Commoner]

no thanks. i don't know what science and islam says about it. can't say nothing about it. at this point in time i guess i'm neutral about it.

and just to say something, i think this is all lie. just as how animals are supposedly homosexual. can i see some proof. appart from that female african runner. i don't think she has a penis. if she does then i will consider it as evidence.

 

[Kerr]

no thanks. i don't know what science and islam says about it. can't say nothing about it. at this point in time i guess i'm neutral about it.

Ok, I understand.

and just to say something, i think this is all lie. just as how animals are supposedly homosexual. can i see some proof. appart from that female african runner. i don't think she has a penis. if she does then i will consider it as evidence.

Then you would be wrong, because you don´t understand what it is does not mean it is a lie.

 

[Bismillah]

Angry no. I just think its rediculous for Allah to create hemaphrodites that go against the rules he created making them outcasts. I don't see how being a hemaphrodite is a test, do you?
What about babies who die of AID's because of their parents? What happens to their souls. Do they go to hell because of their parents sins? Where is their test?

How is it not a test? You think being a Hermaphrodite is easy? Obviously it is harder to be thankful when one is a Hermaphrodite. It is a test of faith. If a child dies then he is sent to Heaven. Allah is especially has a love for children and every dead child is sent to heaven.

 

[Sententia]

are you talking about the temporary marriages? if so they are forbiden in islam.

For some perhaps.

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Temporary Marriage (Prostitution)

 

[Commoner]

How is it not a test? You think being a Hermaphrodite is easy? Obviously it is harder to be thankful when one is a Hermaphrodite. It is a test of faith. If a child dies then he is sent to Heaven. Allah is especially has a love for children and every dead child is sent to heaven.

A test of what?! For whom?!

Your god already knows the result so what's the meaning of it? Is he toying around with you?

 

[Kerr]

Then you would be surprised. It is from my own personal experience that I say this. How would a person not know if they are an Hermaphrodite? A person would, most likely, choose the sex that most describes him i.e masculine hermaphrodites choose to be males. If a Hermaphrodite is dominantly male and is already married to a man is that not Homosexuality (after the surgery)?

I am just thinking of that African runner, she didn´t know before that she was a hermaphrodite. At last not to my knowledge. I guess she had enough female characteristics for it not to be obvious and so. Doubt it was a health issue either, then it would have been noticed (if being a hermaphrodite can be a health issue, I have no idea to be honest). But I am in no way claiming to know anything about this, it is just my guess.

After the surgery, sure, it would be homosexual. Just as the cases where one partner in a hetrosexual marriage has changed sex, and since they remained married it became a homosexual marriage.

 

[Gharib]

For some perhaps.

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Temporary Marriage (Prostitution)

just to say it again. temporary marriage is not lawfull in islam. not cos i say so, but cos islam says so. the prophet says so.

 

[Bismillah]

A test of what?! For whom?!

Of faith of course and for the Hermaphrodite likewise.

Your god already knows the result so what's the meaning of it? Is he toying around with you?

Yes Allah is all knowing. He created us as beings who could think, decipher, and most importantly argue. If Allah created us and put those who sinned into Hell and others into Heaven preemptively (similar to Predestination?), then his creations would argue give me a chance, let me show my faith. He created us to demonstrate to Shaitan(Satan), that Humans are superior to Angels. Humans have the ability to think, Angels do not. To show Shaitan on Judgment Day, behold the Humans they are superior. They were offered choices, yet the chose Allah. To show to the non-believer, behold the believer they also were offered choices, yet they chose Allah. To demonstrate that Humanity eventually corrects itself and sets out in the path of Allah.

 

[Kerr]

just to say it again. temporary marriage is not lawfull in islam. not cos i say so, but cos islam says so. the prophet says so.

It is not about islam, it is about people... some bend or break the rules. That is a fact in any religion.

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Or philosophy or whatever, I might add.

 

[Bismillah]

It is not about islam, it is about people... some bend or break the rules. That is a fact in any religion.

Then, they haven't acted in accordance with Islamic law and have sinned. They will be judged by Allah.

 

[Gharib]

It is not about islam, it is about people... some bend or break the rules. That is a fact in any religion.

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Or philosophy or whatever, I might add.

i never denied that. man will bend the laws of nature itself to get what he wants.

 

[Gharib]

Then, they haven't acted in accordance with Islamic law and have sinned. They will be judged by Allah.

precisely.

 

[Commoner]

Of faith of course and for the Hermaphrodite likewise.

So it's a bit like slapping your wife to prove to a friend that she wouldn't leave you? If she doesn't, you reward her, if she does, you torture and kill her.

 

[Gharib]

So it's a bit like slapping your wife to prove to a friend that she wouldn't leave you? If she doesn't, you reward her, if she does, you torture and kill her.

this proves you know nothing about islam. please do go on.

 

[Commoner]

this proves you know nothing about islam. please do go on.

Which part of the example do you feel does not accurately describe god testing someone?

 

[Sententia]

just to say it again. temporary marriage is not lawfull in islam. not cos i say so, but cos islam says so. the prophet says so.

What does the koran say?

 

[Kerr]

i never denied that. man will bend the laws of nature itself to get what he wants.

Ok, sorry if I misunderstood.