Put on your oven mitts folks, you are going to need them:

[URAVIP2ME]

Nope, still talking about the same subject: Prophets.
Well, if you wanted to refer to 21-23 you should have put that into your original post.
But let's see...

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’​

The key seems to be: only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven
Where does it specify exactly what "the will of my Father " is? We've read that it was God's will to kill the sons of a defeated army. Does that count"?
In any case, that defines who will go to heaven. Is it your contention that "Going to Heaven = Real Christian" and "Not going to Heaven = everyone else"?

I can't find the verse you are referring that it's God's will to kill the sons of a defeated army.
I can find that the 'executional words from Jesus' mouth' will rid the Earth of the wicked as per Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16; Proverbs 2:21-22.

I find the figurative humble 'sheep'-like people living on Earth at the soon coming 'time of separation' on Earth as found at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40 do Not go to Heaven. They can remain alive on Earth living through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14. This is because the ' Kingdom of Heaven ' will govern over Earth.
Just as Jesus promised that humble meek people will inherit the Earth as found at Psalms 37:9-11.
Jesus' New commandment found at John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has is the will or purpose of Jesus' Father. Not to kill anyone. Jesus taught his followers to lay down the sword at Matthew 26:52; Revelation 13:10. Rather, Jesus taught to tell others about God's kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is the solution to mankind's problems at Matthew 24:14 before the end comes of all badness on Earth.
So, "those Not going to Heaven = the majority of people inheriting the Earth".

 

[Bear Wild]

Or rather, I find 'before' it is too late.
Remember: by Adam breaking God's Law then Adam set up 'People Rule ' as superior to God Rule.
So, the passing of time was needed, and was given, to show if human rule is superior to God's rule.
God did Not interfere with men's kingdoms or governments because then the universe could see whether man can govern Earth successfully. The passing of time has now proven that man rule can Not bring peace to Earth.

Man does not govern Earth so that does not make sense. Man lives on the earth with the rest of life and is doing a terrible job of sharing the Earth. I also did not remember Adam setting up "People Rule" in the garden of Eden when reading the bible. It was just him and Eve after all and there was nothing stating Adam felt their rule was greater than god's rule. God then removed everyone except for Noah and those on the ark which should have corrected the problem unless Noah also believed in people rule over gods rule as well as Adam.

 

[ecco]

I can't find the verse you are referring that it's God's will to kill the sons of a defeated army.

Amazing. You quote from the bible all the time. Were you taught to read only the nice parts?

It's not just God's will, it's God Commanding Moses.

Numbers 31:
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
​

You'll note He also tells the victors to keep the young virgins for themselves. Pedophilia and Rape.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Man does not govern Earth so that does not make sense. Man lives on the earth with the rest of life and is doing a terrible job of sharing the Earth. I also did not remember Adam setting up "People Rule" in the garden of Eden when reading the bible. It was just him and Eve after all and there was nothing stating Adam felt their rule was greater than god's rule. God then removed everyone except for Noah and those on the ark which should have corrected the problem unless Noah also believed in people rule over gods rule as well as Adam.

No, Noah did Not believe in People Rule but his great-grandson Nimrod did.
Nimrod by disobeying God set up the Tower of Babel as a center of worship.

By Adam breaking God's Law about the 'forbidden tree', then by breaking God's Law, Adam in effect was then taking the Law out of God's hands and placing the Law into his own hands, thus Adam set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule or government by his God.
Since each nation is governed by man-rule then yes man does govern. Govern by his own rule and Not God Rule.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Amazing. You quote from the bible all the time. Were you taught to read only the nice parts?
It's not just God's will, it's God Commanding Moses.

Numbers 31:
17Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.​

You'll note He also tells the victors to keep the young virgins for themselves. Pedophilia and Rape.

The 'keep alive for yourselves' was that the women would become their ' wives ', as also at Judges 21:23
The men would Not be fornicators or committing adultery but marriage.
The ' killing ' was an ' execution ' because those people were beyond reform or repentance.
They practiced a depraved demon-worshipping idol worship.

 

[Audie]

The 'keep alive for yourselves' was that the women would become their ' wives ', as also at Judges 21:23
The men would Not be fornicators or committing adultery but marriage.
The ' killing ' was an ' execution ' because those people were beyond reform or repentance.
They practiced a depraved demon-worshipping idol worship.

Such must be much the same way that
the judges and torturors of the Inquisition
spoke, to justify, nay, glorify their hideous
cruelty.

I will say this for the kind of "marriage"
you think was peachy-

Whoever took me would have signed his death
sentence, I would kill him.

 

[ecco]

I can't find the verse you are referring that it's God's will to kill the sons of a defeated army.

The 'keep alive for yourselves' was that the women would become their ' wives ', as also at Judges 21:23
The men would Not be fornicators or committing adultery but marriage.
The ' killing ' was an ' execution ' because those people were beyond reform or repentance.
They practiced a depraved demon-worshipping idol worship.

Wow. You went from not even knowing about God's command to kill the sons of a defeated army, to having a complete understanding of it to the point where you can justify it. Perhaps you can explain how eight year old boys are "beyond reform or repentance".

You also assumed 'keep alive for yourselves' means take them as wives. How do you know it didn't mean treat them as spoils of war and do with them as you will.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Wow. You went from not even knowing about God's command to kill the sons of a defeated army, to having a complete understanding of it to the point where you can justify it. Perhaps you can explain how eight year old boys are "beyond reform or repentance".
You also assumed 'keep alive for yourselves' means take them as wives. How do you know it didn't mean treat them as spoils of war and do with them as you will.

In Scripture, I find parents are always held responsible for minor children - 1 Corinthians 7:14.
No one was to be treated as ' spoils of war ' as you phrase it because please notice what is written in the 19th chapter of Leviticus. Such as Leviticus 19:33. The woman were to be ' wives ' as also found at Deuteronomy 21:11.
Fornication and adultery were forbidden under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law for ancient Israel.

 

[Jose Fly]

The 'keep alive for yourselves' was that the women would become their ' wives ', as also at Judges 21:23

Riiiiiiiiight, because young girls love nothing more than marrying the person who executed her mom, dad, grandpa, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, etc.

The ' killing ' was an ' execution ' because those people were beyond reform or repentance.
They practiced a depraved demon-worshipping idol worship.

Even the newborns apparently.

I'm always amazed when I see Christians attempting to justify genocide.....sickened too.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Riiiiiiiiight, because young girls love nothing more than marrying the person who executed her mom, dad, grandpa, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, etc.
Even the newborns apparently.
I'm always amazed when I see Christians attempting to justify genocide.....sickened too.

I wonder how war is justified when Not ordered by God.
Parents often sacrifice their young men and women on the Altar of War as if that is the same as the Altar of God.
Newborns died in the Flood and at Sodom and Gomorrah. Those parents were beyond reform, beyond repenting.
Parents are responsible for 'minor' children as per 1 Corinthians 7:14.
Since the executed people were beyond reform, then they would have spread their perverted ways among their minor children besides others.
In Scripture God does Not approve of putting one's children in fire as per Jeremiah 32:35; 2 Chronicles 28:3.
I wonder how people will justify the coming separating of people as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

 

[ecco]

I wonder how war is justified when Not ordered by God.
Parents often sacrifice their young men and women on the Altar of War as if that is the same as the Altar of God.
Newborns died in the Flood and at Sodom and Gomorrah. Those parents were beyond reform, beyond repenting.
Parents are responsible for 'minor' children as per 1 Corinthians 7:14.
Since the executed people were beyond reform, then they would have spread their perverted ways among their minor children besides others.
In Scripture God does Not approve of putting one's children in fire as per Jeremiah 32:35; 2 Chronicles 28:3.
I wonder how people will justify the coming separating of people as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

As Jose Fly said - sickening.

 

[Bear Wild]

No, Noah did Not believe in People Rule but his great-grandson Nimrod did.
Nimrod by disobeying God set up the Tower of Babel as a center of worship.

By Adam breaking God's Law about the 'forbidden tree', then by breaking God's Law, Adam in effect was then taking the Law out of God's hands and placing the Law into his own hands, thus Adam set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule or government by his God.
Since each nation is governed by man-rule then yes man does govern. Govern by his own rule and Not God Rule.

So did god not know that the grandson would mess up after wiping out all the people and life just to keep Moses and a few alive. Why not just flood the earth again and start over again before things go out of hand. I also do not understand how all of the races came from Noah's offspring. And how did they fit two of every animal on a boat of that size considering all of the animals from all continents would need more space than the boat described. It all just doesn't fit.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I wonder how war is justified when Not ordered by God.
Parents often sacrifice their young men and women on the Altar of War as if that is the same as the Altar of God.
Newborns died in the Flood and at Sodom and Gomorrah. Those parents were beyond reform, beyond repenting.
Parents are responsible for 'minor' children as per 1 Corinthians 7:14.
Since the executed people were beyond reform, then they would have spread their perverted ways among their minor children besides others.
In Scripture God does Not approve of putting one's children in fire as per Jeremiah 32:35; 2 Chronicles 28:3.
I wonder how people will justify the coming separating of people as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

You do realize that all of those stories are myths as well that only paint your version of God as an evil monster. That you find such a God worthy of worship does not speak well of you.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So did god not know that the grandson would mess up after wiping out all the people and life just to keep Moses and a few alive. Why not just flood the earth again and start over again before things go out of hand. I also do not understand how all of the races came from Noah's offspring. And how did they fit two of every animal on a boat of that size considering all of the animals from all continents would need more space than the boat described. It all just doesn't fit.

Since we, like Adam, were created as free-willed people, then choices are ours to make.
So, by gifting us with free-moral choices, then God does Not look ahead as to what 'our' choices will be.
In other words, God does Not force anyone to serve Him, that is our choice to choose or make.

God would Not start over because God's purpose is that we all be descendants from father Adam and mother Eve.
As the people left the Ark they started to spread throughout the Earth, thus family groups, so to speak, developed.
Two of every type of animal. So, only a representative of each family was needed.
In other words, Not every type of dog would be necessary, just starting with a representative of the dog family, etc.
If the animals were in hibernation there would be No need for extra contents.
Sure, we do Not have all the answers, but to me what Jesus taught makes the most sense, and since we are in these last days of badness on Earth before Jesus begins his 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth, then at that wonderful time we will have all the answers plus much more.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Such must be much the same way that the judges and torturors of the Inquisition spoke, to justify, .................

No, because I find under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law the human ' judges ' were to use God's judgement in which to judge by. That is why they were referred to as ' gods' in Psalm 82 meaning were to use God's judgement standard as to what was right and what was wrong. So, those human judges were acting in the capacity or being representatives or spokesmen for God. That was Not the case at the time of Christendom's inquisition.

 

[Audie]

No, because I find under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law the human ' judges ' were to use God's judgement in which to judge by. That is why they were referred to as ' gods' in Psalm 82 meaning were to use God's judgement standard as to what was right and what was wrong. So, those human judges were acting in the capacity or being representatives or spokesmen for God. That was Not the case at the time of Christendom's inquisition.

Go back and actually read what I said!

Your answer is irrelevant.

The "true scottsman" thing wont work
in any case.

 

[Jose Fly]

I wonder how war is justified when Not ordered by God.
Parents often sacrifice their young men and women on the Altar of War as if that is the same as the Altar of God.
Newborns died in the Flood and at Sodom and Gomorrah. Those parents were beyond reform, beyond repenting.
Parents are responsible for 'minor' children as per 1 Corinthians 7:14.
Since the executed people were beyond reform, then they would have spread their perverted ways among their minor children besides others.
In Scripture God does Not approve of putting one's children in fire as per Jeremiah 32:35; 2 Chronicles 28:3.
I wonder how people will justify the coming separating of people as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37,40.

No matter how you slice it, the fact remains......you are justifying genocide. You are saying that the 3 month old baby deserves to be executed.

There's nothing more to be said.

 

[Audie]

No matter how you slice it, the fact remains......you are justifying genocide. You are saying that the 3 month old baby deserves to be executed.

There's nothing more to be said.

I dont get to mention all the firstborn of Egypt?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Since we, like Adam, were created as free-willed people, then choices are ours to make.
So, by gifting us with free-moral choices, then God does Not look ahead as to what 'our' choices will be.
In other words, God does Not force anyone to serve Him, that is our choice to choose or make.

God would Not start over because God's purpose is that we all be descendants from father Adam and mother Eve.
As the people left the Ark they started to spread throughout the Earth, thus family groups, so to speak, developed.
Two of every type of animal. So, only a representative of each family was needed.
In other words, Not every type of dog would be necessary, just starting with a representative of the dog family, etc.
If the animals were in hibernation there would be No need for extra contents.
Sure, we do Not have all the answers, but to me what Jesus taught makes the most sense, and since we are in these last days of badness on Earth before Jesus begins his 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth, then at that wonderful time we will have all the answers plus much more.

When it comes to the Ark myth almost every science tells us how it did not happen. If there was such a flood where is the universal population bottleneck predicted by such an event?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I dont get to mention all the firstborn of Egypt?

Each one of the 10 plagues humiliated one of the Egyptian gods.
Pharaoh was warned repeatedly to let Israel go, so Pharaoh could have let them go well before the 10th plague.
So, the death of their first born humilated their god. That was proverbial the straw that broke the camels back.
Not all of Egypt followed Pharaoh, so those Egyptians who sided with Moses' God did Not loose their first born.