Put on your oven mitts folks, you are going to need them:

[Polymath257]

You may not believe this, but the view you expressed, is exactly what the Bible states! God told Adam (after his sin), "You will return to the ground."
"The dead know nothing."
Those who die "go down to silence." "Their thoughts do perish."

The only hope is for a future resurrection.

I don't see a resurrection for an infinite afterlife to be hopeful. An infinite afterlife would be, in fact, infinite torture after a few trillion years, don't you think?

 

[Audie]

I was stating that his embryonic drawings are still found in textbooks and touted as evidence for CD, even in this century. I said nothing about his fraud.

I've asked others, and you, "was it a fraud for Lowell to report
seeing canals on Mars?"

No response so far.

 

[whirlingmerc]

This world is anything but reliable! Truth is stranger than fiction.

"It's not that the world is rational or irrational. The maddening thing is that it is almost rational"

 

[whirlingmerc]

I don't see a resurrection for an infinite afterlife to be hopeful. An infinite afterlife would be, in fact, infinite torture after a few trillion years, don't you think?

Not if there is an infinite God with endless things to discover and enjoy about him
It would be like climbing a mountain and there is always a greater discovery to see and enjoy still.

Ezekiel hard words for hard times

 

[whirlingmerc]

I've asked others, and you, "was it a fraud for Lowell to report
seeing canals on Mars?"

No response so far.

It depends if it was an honest misinterpretation

Now Haekel was a fraud and most historians and scientists would say so

 

[Subduction Zone]

It depends if it was an honest misinterpretation

Now Haekel was a fraud and most historians and scientists would say so

No, only creationist "scientists" tend to make that false charge. That is why no creationist here has been able to justify that claim.

 

[Audie]

It depends if it was an honest misinterpretation

Now Haekel was a fraud and most historians and scientists would say so

Really. Plz demintrate this.

Nothing you cite from a creosite will get
even a glance.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

you dont even know your own freakin' book
Try READING exodus.
But I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, 4 Pharaoh will not listen to you. Then I will lay my hand on Egypt and bring my hosts, my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great acts of judgment.

I can agree that God knew Pharaoh's heart, and because of Exodus 8:32 ... and Pharaoh hardened his heart at that time.....is why God allowed Pharaoh's heart to be hardened.

At the soon coming judgement ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33 then all will see whose heart is hardened. Even as mentioned at 1 Samuel 6:6..... as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I don't see a resurrection for an infinite afterlife to be hopeful. An infinite afterlife would be, in fact, infinite torture after a few trillion years, don't you think?

I find there is a BIG difference between the ' after life ' teaching and the teaching of the ' resurrection '
Afterlife implies a person is more alive after they die then before death which is un-scriptural.
What day does a healthy person want to pick as the day they want to die ______
So, even under imperfect conditions most people do Not want to die.
What is torture or torment are bad conditions, Not good conditions.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

One reason Creationists cannot accept evolution is because they cannot truly comprehend the concept of millions and billions of years.

One reason religious folk look forward to Eternity is because they cannot truly comprehend the concept of an infinite number of years. After a while there would just be repetition and repetition and repetition and repetition.

Imagine sitting through the 4th grade class over and over and over. Bart Simpson has. But 29 years is not even a speck on eternity.

Did you not read what I posted?
How is there repetition....when there are new things to discover? As with organisms evolving?

 

[Audie]

I can agree that God knew Pharaoh's heart, and because of Exodus 8:32 ... and Pharaoh hardened his heart at that time.....is why God allowed Pharaoh's heart to be hardened.

At the soon coming judgement ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33 then all will see whose heart is hardened. Even as mentioned at 1 Samuel 6:6..... as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts....

Incredible. It says in the plainest terms that

GOD DID IT

and you try to weasel out with
a limp pallid phony excuse

"allowed it"

 

[Audie]

I find there is a BIG difference between the ' after life ' teaching and the teaching of the ' resurrection '
Afterlife implies a person is more alive after they die then before death which is un-scriptural.
What day does a healthy person want to pick as the day they want to die ______
So, even under imperfect conditions most people do Not want to die.
What is torture or torment are bad conditions, Not good conditions.

After what you did with "I will harden Pharoah's heart",
completely change the meaning to "allow",
what you "find" to be the meaning has, absolutely,
ZERO credibility.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

I don't see a resurrection for an infinite afterlife to be hopeful. An infinite afterlife would be, in fact, infinite torture after a few trillion years, don't you think?

As I mentioned to @ecco , there would eventually always be new things, with new species of organisms appearing.

What about exploring our Solar System, then others in this galaxy, after sufficient technological advances?

Before that, though, you’d get to meet your GGGGGrandkids. And on & on, populating other discovered planets! I think many thinking like you are just limited by their imagination. God has a lot in store for our human family.

That’s my POV.

 

[Audie]

As I mentioned to @ecco , there would eventually always be new things, with new species of organisms appearing.

What about exploring our Solar System, then others in this galaxy, after sufficient technological advances?

Before that, though, you’d get to meet your GGGGGrandkids. And on & on, populating other discovered planets! I think many thinking like you are just limited by their imagination. God has a lot in store for our human family.

That’s my POV.

It sounds swell.

Some quiet moment, reflect on the wisdom
of believing anyone's idealistic / utopian vision.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Incredible. It says in the plainest terms that
GOD DID IT
and you try to weasel out with
a limp pallid phony excuse
"allowed it"

What does Exodus 8:32 say and 1 Samuel 6:6 say, to me that is why as you say GOD DID IT.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

After what you did with "I will harden Pharoah's heart",
completely change the meaning to "allow",
what you "find" to be the meaning has, absolutely,
ZERO credibility.

I did Not write Exodus 8:32 nor 1 Samuel 6:6

 

[Subduction Zone]

What does Exodus 8:32 say and 1 Samuel 6:6 say, to me that is why as you say GOD DID IT.

You are ignoring the earlier verses where God said that he would harden pharaoh's heart.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I did Not write Exodus 8:32 nor 1 Samuel 6:6

Why do you ignore what God says he will do when it is convenient for you? Three times God said that he would harden pharaoh's heart:

"Three times Yahweh declares that he will harden Pharaoh’s heart (Ex. 4:21; 7:3; 14:4).

• Six times Yahweh actually hardens Pharaoh’s heart (Ex. 9:12; 10:1; 10:20; 10:27; 11:10; 14:8).
• Seven times the hardening is expressed as a divine passive with Yahweh as the implied subject, i.e., Pharaoh’s heart “was hardened” by Yahweh (Ex. 7:13; 7:14; 7:22; 8:19; 9:7; 9:35; 14:5).
• And three times we are told that Pharaoh hardened his own heart (Ex. 8:15; 8:32; 9:34)."

The Hardening of Pharaoh's Heart

 

[Audie]

I did Not write Exodus 8:32 nor 1 Samuel 6:6

Didnt read, did not write, did not comprehend.
You are beyond hopeless.

 

[Audie]

Why do you ignore what God says he will do when it is convenient for you? Three times God said that he would harden pharaoh's heart:

"Three times Yahweh declares that he will harden Pharaoh’s heart (Ex. 4:21; 7:3; 14:4).

• Six times Yahweh actually hardens Pharaoh’s heart (Ex. 9:12; 10:1; 10:20; 10:27; 11:10; 14:8).
• Seven times the hardening is expressed as a divine passive with Yahweh as the implied subject, i.e., Pharaoh’s heart “was hardened” by Yahweh (Ex. 7:13; 7:14; 7:22; 8:19; 9:7; 9:35; 14:5).
• And three times we are told that Pharaoh hardened his own heart (Ex. 8:15; 8:32; 9:34)."

The Hardening of Pharaoh's Heart

Why?

In there, the converter changes everything
that goes in, so that becomes manageably
arranged to taste. It is a sad, chronic, and
probably incurable condition. Leave him be.