Putin open to peace talks

[Estro Felino]

Geez, you are desperate. I still have a working brain despite my age, and I am no more a supporter of imperialism that I am of monarchy. Perhaps I just recognise naked territorial ambitions and aggression where you seemingly won't. That is, that despite how the USSR was dissolved, all the countries that gained their independence deserved the right to self-determination no matter how Russia perceived such. Their right to swing more to Western values if so choosing, and in no way has Russia the right to interfere in such.

I just wanted to know whether you were like Thatcher. I mean...a woman whose anti-socialism was utterly destructive.
A woman whose credibility is below zero.
She used to say that the State had to save money, so cuts, cuts, cuts on expenditure. Since she said there was no money.
But when it dealt with saving a tiny tiny piece of land called Falkland Islands, the money magically reappeared.

And billions of pounds were wasted to save that piece of Empire. That's utterly and totally devilish. Satanic magic.

Thatcher reminds me of the Democratic Party.
They say there is no money for free healthcare, but when it deals with wasting billions of dollars on stupid wars like the Ukrainian War, that money magically reappears.

But then so many Russians have their pride hurt when others turn away from them. Well now why would that be? Duh! So what does Russia to offer other countries - apart from the oppression, the censorship, the nasty murdering of opposition figures or those who displease Moscow, and not showing any commitment to progress but rather using the silly ones who might gain from being an ally of Russia - until it just doesn't.

It's lands where people speak Russian.
They don't speak Ukrainian in those four regions.
So Zely is just demanding something that he can never have. Tell him to grow up.
Those lands belong to Russia.

Russia has done exactly the opposite of making itself attractive to all bordering countries - so Putin hardly being smart in any way - and the same old strength through brutality - which essentially is the face of Russia and always has been. The Russian people must be loving this - if they had the means to express themselves of course, but where Putin's censorship hardly allows such.

No..it's a banal territorial controversy.
It's like the Irish wanting their entire island back...
nothing more.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I just wanted to know whether you were like Thatcher. I mean...a woman whose anti-socialism was utterly destructive.
A woman whose credibility is below zero.
She used to say that the State had to save money, so cuts, cuts, cuts on expenditure. Since she said there was no money.
But when it dealt with saving a tiny tiny piece of land called Falkland Islands, the money magically reappeared.

And billions of pounds were wasted to save that piece of Empire. That's utterly and totally devilish. Satanic magic.

Thatcher reminds me of the Democratic Party.
They say there is no money for free healthcare, but when it deals with wasting billions of dollars on stupid wars like the Ukrainian War, that money magically reappears.

I spit on Thatcher's grave. I've always been more left-inclined since I found some thinking to be more valuable than not doing so. As to the Falklands, well it was a bit of both, given that Argentina had no right to them merely because they were the nearest large nation - but then neither did the UK for merely taking possession of them - as per so many instances of Imperialism. And given that the population was almost entirely British, no point in having a vote over such.

It's lands where people speak Russian.
They don't speak Ukrainian in those four regions.
So Zely is just demanding something that he can never have. Tell him to grow up.
Those lands belong to Russia.

Not really the point, given that we could show so many other regions where this occurs. Just look at the historical boundaries and nations formed/dissolved over time. We could go back to all sorts of times to claim rights as to such but taking them by force rather shows that the people don't actually want to be taken over. Would you want to allow all other such instances to change by local voting?

No..it's a banal territorial controversy.
It's like the Irish wanting their entire island back...
nothing more.

Well, for me, I'd be happier if Ireland was one nation - again. In this instance it is mostly about Russia wanting what it perceives to be theirs even when the actual people living there seemingly want something other - and Russia are making it just so inviting - NOT! They just need to grow up - or in modern parlance - progress, and ditch what is not useful these days.

 

[Estro Felino]

I spit on Thatcher's grave. I've always been more left-inclined since I found some thinking to be more valuable than not doing so. As to the Falklands, well it was a bit of both, given that Argentina had no right to them merely because they were the nearest large nation - but then neither did the UK for merely taking possession of them - as per so many instances of Imperialism. And given that the population was almost entirely British, no point in having a vote over such.

Yes.
There were so many Italians in Libya...but Gaddafi wanted them to be repatriated to Italy.
And we accepted.
We could have declared a war on Libya as Thatcher did... but I guess we know how to accept compromise.
We are adults.
Unlike some comedian who disgracefully, was elected ...some years ago.

Not really the point, given that we could show so many other regions where this occurs. Just look at the historical boundaries and nations formed/dissolved over time. We could go back to all sorts of times to claim rights as to such but taking them by force rather shows that the people don't actually want to be taken over. Would you want to allow all other such instances to change by local voting?

Again.
Do you know the meaning of the words compromise and sacrifice?
Do they exist in the English dictionary? Or are they Italian words?

Well, for me, I'd be happier if Ireland was one nation - again. In this instance it is mostly about Russia wanting what it perceives to be theirs even when the actual people living there seemingly want something other - and Russia are making it just so inviting - NOT! They just need to grow up - or in modern parlance - progress, and ditch what is not useful these days.

Ukraine is huge.
They'll survive without those 4 regions.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Yes.
There were so many Italians in Libya...but Gaddafi wanted them to be repatriated to Italy.
And we accepted.
We could have declared a war on Libya as Thatcher did... but I guess we know how to accept compromise.
We are adults.

Argentina forcefully took over the Falklands, seemingly because they thought the British wouldn't actually bother over a few British inhabiting mostly sheep populated islands with little importance, but then Thatcher no doubt saw an opportunity and grabbed it. Argentina was under a dictatorship and fortunately didn't have the force to keep the Falklands - end of story. No particular rights or wrongs involved.

Unlike some comedian who disgracefully, was elected ...some years ago.

Oooh! One who seemingly has kept Putin out of vast areas of Ukraine and defeated a complete takeover - given the discrepancies between the forces of war each have available. And I would rather have any comedian over a thug as leader all the time, especially when most comedians tend towards intelligence rather than thuggery and nastiness. Putin should stick to bareback riding on his horse.

Again.
Do you know the meaning of the words compromise and sacrifice?
Do they exist in the English dictionary? Or are they Italian words?

Know the meaning of no surrender - tends to go with courage rather than simply capitulating because one is afraid.

Ukraine is huge.
They'll survive without those 4 regions.

Russia is huge - they will survive without taking over all those countries bordering it. Touché!

 

[Estro Felino]

Argentina forcefully took over the Falklands, seemingly because they thought the British wouldn't actually bother over a few British inhabiting mostly sheep populated islands with little importance, but then Thatcher no doubt saw an opportunity and grabbed it. Argentina was under a dictatorship and fortunately didn't have the force to keep the Falklands - end of story. No particular rights or wrongs involved.

Yes. A devilish dictatorship. Videla died in prison.

Oooh! One who seemingly has kept Putin out of vast areas of Ukraine and defeated a complete takeover - given the discrepancies between the forces of war each have available. And I would rather have any comedian over a thug as leader all the time, especially when most comedians tend towards intelligence rather than thuggery and nastiness. Putin should stick to bareback riding on his horse.

And sometimes they are magnificent as actors.

I mean...everybody knows that the US Deep State paid the Kiev Government to wage the war on the tsar.

Fortunately, now it's over. Trump has won.

Know the meaning of no surrender - tends to go with courage rather than simply capitulating because one is afraid.

King Victor Emmanuel III.
He surrendered to the Americans and saved the lives of millions of Sicilians. 1943.

But again...a king is a king...a comedian is a comedian.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Yes. A devilish dictatorship. Videla died in prison.

And sometimes they are magnificent as actors.

I mean...everybody knows that the US Deep State paid the Kiev Government to wage the war on the tsar.

Fortunately, now it's over. Trump has won.

The rats will have to hide and disappear.

King Victor Emmanuel III.
He surrendered to the Americans and saved the lives of millions of Sicilians. 1943.

But again...a king is a king...a comedian is a comedian.

Well we will have to wait and see, since I will not be making any predictions as to the future over Ukraine.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well we will have to wait and see, since I will not be making any predictions as to the future over Ukraine.

Well...since my country is filled with Russians...
it turns out that there are already negotiations behind the scenes. Nothing official.

But the war will terminate.

 

[Altfish]

Again. Italy has never used warlike means to solve independentism.

We have evolved from the warlike stage.

Perhaps Russia should start their evolution.

 

[Estro Felino]

Perhaps Russia should start their evolution.

Imagine if all the peoples and nations of the world loved each other.
There would be no need to build warfare.

Sorry for sounding like Lennon's song.

 

[Altfish]

Imagine if all the peoples and nations of the world loved each other.
There would be no need to build warfare.

Sorry for sounding like Lennon's song.

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too"

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Putin Open to Trump Talks on Russia-Ukraine Peace Deal

Russian President Vladimir Putin has congratulated Donald Trump on his victory in the US election and says he’s ready to hold discussions with the new American leader who's pledged to broker a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine. Meanwhile Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, speaking in...

www.bloomberg.com

I am very sorry for the warmongers, but Europeans deserve peace.
The thirst for war can be cured in a psychiatrist's practice.
With a good professional.

Peace will triumph after almost 3 years of tensions, refugees coming to EU, death.

The problem with Putin is that we can't trust a single word that comes out of his mouth.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

idiotic wars artificially created by the Democratic Party.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Being an European, I perfectly understand the Ukrainian conflict.

No you don't, and you have demonstrated time and again that you don't.

Rather: as a victim and swallower of russian propaganda, you understand exactly nothing about this conflict.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Kiev started it, by waging a war on the Donbas separatists.

False

Violating the people's right to self-determination.

False

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The only request. Yes.

Delusional

 

[Estro Felino]

The problem with Putin is that we can't trust a single word that comes out of his mouth.

We are the EU...and our duty is to preserve the peace and stability in Eastern Europe.

Playing war games is childish...just to appease the banking sewer that hides in the basements of Brussels...

 

[Estro Felino]

Rather: as a victim and swallower of russian propaganda, you understand exactly nothing about this conflict.

I am not a victim.
I actively support the Russophiles in my country...

The Berlin Wall has fallen. The Cold War is over.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

We are the EU...and our duty is to preserve the peace and stability in Eastern Europe.

Which isn't achieved by appeasing and bowing down to invading tyrants.

Playing war games is childish...just to appease the banking sewer that hides in the basements of Brussels...

This comment makes zero sense.
Putin is the one playing war games. Ukrainians are just defending themselves against it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I am not a victim.

I beg the differ.

I actively support the Russophiles in my country...
The Berlin Wall has fallen. The Cold War is over.

Nevertheless, the Kremlin is still ruled by authoritarian imperialist warhawks with their neighbors and former soviet satelites locked firmly on their "wanted" list.

 

[Estro Felino]

Which isn't achieved by appeasing and bowing down to invading tyrants.

But not even by appeasing puppet governments.
Governments paid by an elitist cabal of warmongers overseas.

Monsieur...I remind you that the strong governments in the EU are Italy, Slovakia, Hungary....

In Germany there is a political crisis...due to bad choices taken overseas.

This comment makes zero sense.
Putin is the one playing war games.

He is defending himself from the demonic gang who paid the comedian to invade Kursk.

Ukrainians are just defending themselves against it.

Ukrainians invaded Russia...so their goal is not to take Donbas back.