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Question about jesus.
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The Crimson Universe
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If Jesus lived in poverty.How did he wash his clothes?Or take baths or showers?
Yes, probably in rivers. Also there was an Essene monastery just north-west of Dead Sea during Jesus's time. And there were baptismal baths in that monastery. So the members probably bathed there as well.
PureX
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The same way everyone else did, I suppose. He went to the river, stripped down, and washed himself and his clothing as best he could.If Jesus lived in poverty.How did he wash his clothes?Or take baths or showers?
I don't actually give a damn about what you see, i have provided links.
I am talking personal hygiene, not fanaticism
dybmh
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If Jesus lived in poverty.How did he wash his clothes?Or take baths or showers?
If he was a religious Jew then he would have frequented a mikveh.
Mikveh - Wikipedia
Researchers Unearth Ritual Bath Dated to Jesus's Time Near Garden of Gethsemane | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine
Also note that there are hot springs in Israel which I would expect would be used for bathing and washing clothes. If i recall theres one in Galilee.
Because there's no reference to his house and car?
Seriously, I think it's quite logical based on what he is reported to say that he was very much a "minimalist". If he wasn't, then what he spoke would have come off as being quite hypocritical.
I understand that, as an itinerate minister, he was a minimalist... but minimalist doesn't translate into poverty.
It would suggest that Joseph and Mary would have had a home... as a Jew that you are, who does the home go to when the father passes away?
But his message was about true riches that exceed the material riches, yet, he lived off the donations of those who had. So, he wasn't poor IMV.
Gee Frank, I never heard much of Jesus ever living in poverty and he had a lot of supporters who I'm sure would welcome the chance to assist him in normal ways. He probably had to deal with too much attention actually.If Jesus lived in poverty.How did he wash his clothes?Or take baths or showers?
Poor is subjective, in this case.
I remember my daughter as she attended Florida Tech. The teacher made a comment of "I don't know how those people in Palm Bay live in those tiny houses. For her, my abode was a poverty home yet, in the eyes of the Hondurans, I was rich.
Jesus was The Word with all the privileges of a King and Creator. He was rich but went through the process of becoming poor. Paul said it this way:
5 Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:] 6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped orretained, 7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross! AMPC
So, one could say that he became poor at the cross.
while on this earth, he had enough finances to give to the poor:
Judas not only pilfered the money bag but it was said " John 13:29 Some thought that, since Judas had the money box (the purse), Jesus was telling him, Buy what we need for the Festival, or that he should give something to the poor."
Giving was accustomed by Jesus. So, not poor.
I remember my daughter as she attended Florida Tech. The teacher made a comment of "I don't know how those people in Palm Bay live in those tiny houses. For her, my abode was a poverty home yet, in the eyes of the Hondurans, I was rich.
Jesus was The Word with all the privileges of a King and Creator. He was rich but went through the process of becoming poor. Paul said it this way:
5 Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:] 6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped orretained, 7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross! AMPC
So, one could say that he became poor at the cross.
while on this earth, he had enough finances to give to the poor:
Judas not only pilfered the money bag but it was said " John 13:29 Some thought that, since Judas had the money box (the purse), Jesus was telling him, Buy what we need for the Festival, or that he should give something to the poor."
Giving was accustomed by Jesus. So, not poor.
Augustus
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Also if life expectancy was 40 it didn't mean most people died at 40, it meant a lot of children died at <10. If you survived to adulthood then you could expect to live significantly longer than 40.
Colt
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Jesus' family would have been average middle class in Nazareth up until his father died. Jesus himself worked until he began his public teaching at 31 years old. Jesus and the twelve fished and lived off of donations.If Jesus lived in poverty. How did he wash his clothes?Or take baths or showers?
firedragon
Veteran Member
If Jesus lived in poverty.How did he wash his clothes?Or take baths or showers?
River or well probably.
You clearly do give a damn. You want to be right, but the links you provided prove my point, not yours. It's simpler to just concede your point.
True. But I believe cultures throughout the ages understand that you need to not eat food right after you poop, without attempting to clean your hands.
Humans aren't that unaware of basic hygiene practices. People wouldn't live long enough to reproduce if we were that oblivious.
Why? Just because you want to be right about poor hygiene. Sorry bud, my links showed how good personal hygiene has helped extend life expectancy considerably.
True. But I believe cultures throughout the ages understand that you need to not eat food right after you poop, without attempting to clean your hands.
Wrong, it was the british army that introduces separation between toilet and food in the 18th century
And prior to that many people did not live long enough to reproduce
This is the entire content of what was in the link you provided:
Life expectancy in the US increased 3.3 years between 1990 and 2015, but the drivers of this increase are not well understood. We used vital statistics data and cause-deletion analysis to identify the conditions most responsible for changing life expectancy and quantified how public health, pharmaceuticals, other (nonpharmaceutical) medical care, and other/unknown factors contributed to the improvement. We found that twelve conditions most responsible for changing life expectancy explained 2.9 years of net improvement (85 percent of the total). Ischemic heart disease was the largest positive contributor to life expectancy, and accidental poisoning or drug overdose was the largest negative contributor. Forty-four percent of improved life expectancy was attributable to public health, 35 percent was attributable to pharmaceuticals, 13 percent was attributable to other medical care, and −7 percent was attributable to other/unknown factors. Our findings emphasize the crucial role of public health advances, as well as pharmaceutical innovation, in explaining improving life expectancy.
Can you please point to "Personal Hygrine" in this article? You say it's there. I don't see it. If it's there, where is it?
In fact the use of antibiotic soaps are detrimental to public health, if you are unaware of this: Antibacterial Soap? You Can Skip It, Use Plain Soap and Water
I'm willing to concede my point, if you can provide actual information to support your claim. So far, that is missing in your links.
The links i provided, note the plural
Forty-four percent of improved life expectancy was attributable to public health
And
See also How Personal Hygiene Extends Life Expectancy and Affects Health
I hadn't seen that 2nd link. Thank for that. However, it does not say it doubled our life expectancy, as you claimed. From that link:
They found that their lack of access to proper sanitation measures as well as unclean water were two of the most prevalent causes of these infections. So, in order to help, they sent soap as well as piped in clean water to many areas and found that there was a significant decrease in the amount of deaths. Not to mention, that these measures actually helped to improve the life expectancy of the community by about 5-10 years.
Not to mention, that these measures actually helped to improve the life expectancy of the community by about 5-10 years.
But the reality is, it is public health, such as sanitation systems that cause this to happen, which point I agreed with already. Not to mention, that these measures actually helped to improve the life expectancy of the community by about 5-10 years.
Obsessing over bathing twice a day, shampoos, soaps, soaps, soaps, and smelling like a fresh spring day, has little to do with any of this.
Why keep harping to obsession? Most people are not obsessed but keep themselves clean