Question for Jews, Christians and Muslims

[Autodidact]

Tell us more, Bruce.

 

[Vendetta]

Como?

 

[Zardoz]

Uh, o.k., meanwhile focusing on the subject of this thread, chattel slavery. In your view, is it right or wrong?

The laws on slavery in the Torah exist to teach us something eternal. Yes, they were instituted to deal with not just one society, but an entire world where slavery was an integral part of the culture, and had been for a very long time. Torah did not establish slavery, it sought to mitigate what already existed.

Case in point is Exodus 21:5-6

...But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ then his master must take him before the Judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

The Torah is saying;

... this ear, which heard HaShem declare that man should be free...

... is defective.

 

[Autodidact]

The laws on slavery in the Torah exist to teach us something eternal. Yes, they were instituted to deal with not just one society, but an entire world where slavery was an integral part of the culture, and had been for a very long time. Torah did not establish slavery, it sought to mitigate what already existed.

Case in point is Exodus 21:5-6

The Torah is saying;

... this ear, which heard HaShem declare that man should be free...

... is defective.

Uh, o.k., So, chattel slavery in your view: right or wrong?

 

[astarath]

Wrong, in Christ there is no slave no free, no jew no greek. The definitions of superiority are abandoned. We drop the slavery and find freedom.

 

[Autodidact]

Wrong, in Christ there is no slave no free, no jew no greek. The definitions of superiority are abandoned. We drop the slavery and find freedom.

Whatever freedom religious belief may give to the slave's soul, his body is still the property of someone else. Is that right or wrong?

 

[astarath]

Wrong. I would check the book of Acts in which members of the body who were Roman slaves shook off their fleshly bindings and joined the church. You are in Christ and set free.

 

[Autodidact]

Wrong. I would check the book of Acts in which members of the body who were Roman slaves shook off their fleshly bindings and joined the church. You are in Christ and set free.

Which verse are you referring to?

Are you claiming that slaves who convert to Christianity were freed, or supposed to be freed, or are you still referring to spiritual freedom?

 

[Vendetta]

Auto.....let me ask you is slavery right or wrong? Although I am against slavery but I will play devils.advocate.... and pose a challenge to you

 

[TJ73]

Slavery sucks! Some of the ancient alternatives sucks more: remaining free in a home where war has left you without resources and or companions, death or imprisonment. No good choices there. But being taken as a slave, the "property of another" having at least my basic needs provided for and if in the paradigm of certain societies, given some rights and a good chance of freedom, the lesser evil.

 

[Vendetta]

Ok let's say I enslave anoter human. Let us go further and say that I give this human.living quarters three.meals a day. Let us say that I inform the human they are slaves for X amount of years. Is this wrong?

 

[TJ73]

Abso-freakin-loutly ! We no longer live in a world of slavery and primitive styled war. There are arguably worse tings done to people today and in a much more"under the table" fashion than slavery was done. But no, it is obvious there is no room for slavery in our modern world.

 

[Autodidact]

Auto.....let me ask you is slavery right or wrong? Although I am against slavery but I will play devils.advocate.... and pose a challenge to you

Wrong.

 

[Autodidact]

Slavery sucks! Some of the ancient alternatives sucks more: remaining free in a home where war has left you without resources and or companions, death or imprisonment. No good choices there. But being taken as a slave, the "property of another" having at least my basic needs provided for and if in the paradigm of certain societies, given some rights and a good chance of freedom, the lesser evil.

Is slavery right or wrong?

And shouldn't it be up to the individual to decide which option is best for them?

 

[Autodidact]

Ok let's say I enslave anoter human. Let us go further and say that I give this human.living quarters three.meals a day. Let us say that I inform the human they are slaves for X amount of years. Is this wrong?

Yes.
.

 

[Penumbra]

*crickets*

How about you atheists, Hindus, Buddhists. Is slavery right or wrong?

It's wrong.

 

[Hawkins]

There will be a judgment. God places Caesers to the different time and places in history to govern people in those period. Then God just makes sure that the message of salvation to go forward through human history.

Ask the Caeser to change his law, if his people feel that something is not right. God's judgment will come later in everyone's afterlife.

 

[Zardoz]

Uh, o.k., So, chattel slavery in your view: right or wrong?

Why do you keep asking me this when in post #75 I clearly say so?

....No doubt about it, slavery is evil. Any slavery. Don't allow oneself to become a slave.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Bahai comes from Islam....or its a heterodoxical faith of Islam.

Not so.

The Babi Faith came from Islam, and the Baha'i Faith arose from the Babi Faith.

But BOTH of these are independant religions not part of Islam itself, anymore than you could say that Christianity is part of Judaism!

Granted, its background included Islam, but it was never Islamic.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

Tell us more, Bruce.

Briefly, Christian scripture permits slavery; and indeed, a lot of Christians fought a war in the Nineteenth Century to try to retain it!

Islam still permitted slavery but placed certain restrictions on it.

And the Baha'i Faith prohibits it outright in its scriptures! I quote:

"72 It is forbidden you to trade in slaves, be they men or women. It is not for him who is himself a servant to buy another of God's servants, and this hath been prohibited in His Holy Tablet. Thus, by His mercy, hath the commandment been recorded by the Pen of justice. Let no man exalt himself above another; all are but bondslaves before the Lord, and all exemplify the truth that there is none other God but Him. He, verily, is the All-Wise, Whose wisdom encompasseth all things."
--The Book of Laws, p. 45

Peace,

Bruce