Bird123
Well-Known Member
Hmm
I see it differently. We are intelligent human beings and when we see ourselves (with or without god) and who we are, we leave the ego and live our values. While we may have limitations on how to do this-maybe we don't have discipline or maybe finances are keeping us in a rut--and the motivation to do the how, with or without god, the ego will fade and we will be who we are to ourselves and/or our community.
I learned this really from reflection, meditation, and prayer. In different views and practices I've gone through so far in my life, I really got different perspectives of how people live their values and even more so not saying "this is right and that is wrong." This is without god, though.
Let me ask, though. I don't see humans as special any more than I do a Zebra or a Philodendron plant. To me, seeing us as special is ego compared to the huge universe we are not even one percent a part of.
If you did not believe in god, why would you not consider yourself special?
If you do consider yourself special, if you didn't believe in god, what is your basis in comparison? What logic in the universe that would make humanity special than anything else outside the world and beyond?
I ask this because not everyone believes in god. God isn't universal. So, if what you are saying is true, it can be explained without belief in god and referring to him.
That is the key "people place limits on themselves." People are not limited in an of themselves because we do exactly what we are "supposed" to do as humans. Our bodies can only do but so much for a reason. We are born, live, age, and pass away. Wanting to live forever is one of many ways people want to be limitless. Yet, that's how our bodies and minds function. That's basically cheating nature to say something is timeless and linear with some sort of destination that if true, should be apparent for all people to know not just the religious.
The bible does teach god does not take light of sin. He killed people because of sin. It may be an over exaggeration to say he is wrath; and, the point is still the same. If he wasn't, why would he, in christian view, need to bring someone to save believers? Maybe you're deciding to see the nice side of him. That's okay. I mean, I can see the nice side of my parent but that doesn't mean my parent doesn't have an angry side if I acted up.
That is the reason for the OP. The word intelligence (the word itself) is used for human beings. Once you use it for intelligent design or intelligent universe, you lose me. It's metaphysics talk. Spiritualist use it but then we use "god of our own understanding" as well.
It's not limited, it's ignorance. I honestly don't know what you guys mean by anything other than the human mind being intelligent.
That's an oxymoron. Nothing wrong with chaos. That's how the whole world works. When someone develop cancer, that is part of how the body works. If it were designed and no chaos, our bodies wouldn't develop diseases on its own. Seizures are the same way. If everything was designed, then no one would have seizures. I have epilepsy, and I know 100 percent daily that seizures cannot be predicted nor is there order to them. (I wish I can set it on my monthly calendar.)
Feelings like seizures (since they both have to do with neurons in the brain) are unpredictable too. I have seizures in the right temporal lobe and frontal lobe. These (the temporal lobe) affect my emotions. Even when I don't have actual seizures, I still have emotional roller coasters that are normal for the body in and of itself but, because it disrupts my life, that is the only reason why it's treaded with medication. If it didn't harm my life and disrupt it, there'd be no reason to treat seizures since they aren't harmless in and of themselves (the ones I have).
Yet, it's choas. Nothing wrong with that.
Let me ask, why do you need order in chaos?
We have different perspectives, yes. If we take ourselves out of the picture, it's a mess. Life does what it does and if seizures occur in life it doesn't skip a beat nor is there anyone there to diagnose them. Yet, when we see life as a masterpiece (or see heaven or god or so have you) anyhing as perfect, then we take out the reality of life-unpredicability and death--and make it how we want it to be. Nothing wrong with that. Every religion has their view of what they want life to be today and/or in the afterlife.
Just I find it in GOA religions somewhat odd to have these concepts depended on a spirit or being that was not once a human or anything living.
True. I wish I had the advantage of controlling my feelings through thought as many can; but, mine is medical.
However, if I turned the tables, my not being able to control my emotions is just part of life just as people who can. No "order" we are just in different boats going different directions. Just some people think they are getting to a destination by hoping for land to appear. Others know they are in the middle of the atlantic and there is no land near by so they stopped st and enjoy the scenery and let nature take its course.
Both cases are fine just the former takes too much energy and thinking. People bend over backwards trying to figure if god exist. I never done that. When I found out what god was, it just clicked and never went back to the idea of god sense.
Shrugs.
Yes, I would say people are all special, however animals and insects are children of God too. They are just as special. I can't say about plants even though some do seem to have intelligence.
We want to live forever simply for one reason. We are all spiritual beings in our true natures. We are Eternal by nature. Our physical bodies might be our transportation but is in no way natural to who we really are.
You do not understand. God isn't about nice. God is about intelligence. What is the most intelligent way to do things. There you will find God.
There are good reasons for disease. That is why it exists. It has purpose.
There is no need for chaos to have order. It simply does when one fully understands what exactly is going on. When one sees it clearly, there is order.