Spiderman
Veteran Member
Do you find Logic, Knowledge, and rationalism in Islam?
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Questions about Islam
- Thread starter Deidre
- Start date
MD
qualiaphile
Well if I did now I wouldn't have made that statement now, would I?
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Please do not insult me ... I haven't insulted you.
If you dismiss Islam as a dark religion or belief system, it is ok ...you are welcome to think this but I can't explain why I find it illuminating. But, I do. It is not necessary to follow it to have a good life but it is not a dark belief system. Every religion has its dark people within it who twist it for bad.
gsa
Well-Known Member
Shahz was commenting on a particular comment you made, stating that you would accept "legalistic" aspects of the religion if you decide to follow it, the implication being that you would submit to it even though you don't accept it rationally. And to many of us, that is strange.
That is fine but this thread isn't about defending why I'm interested in Islam. It took that turn to my chagrin.
If people think I'm making a mistake, I can't change how they feel. This is my life and my path and the purpose of the thread is to gain some clarity on certain aspects of Islam. Not to serve as a depository of negativity for those who don't like Islam. That's all.
gsa
Well-Known Member
One area of inquiry, according to the OP, was whether one can be a "lukewarm" Muslim who picks and chooses which tenets of the belief she follows. Your comment implies that part of the inquiry is over, and shahz was simply commenting on it.
I dunno. To me it seems like your mind is largely made up, and I'm not sure that the thread is fulfilling its purposes to learn about the religion before making a decision.
I'm not interested in sparring with you or anyone here. I realize today that to understand a faith belief, it requires living it too. I can ask questions all day but growing in Islam will take time.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
I’m a former Christian, and have identified as an atheist for the past two years, roughly. I’ve felt a void of sorts that I cannot explain, and so I’ve been on a path of exploring all types of religions. I doubt I will ever return to Christianity, for there is much that I just don’t believe about that faith.
Having said that, I feel drawn to Islam right now, and would like to know a few things from some here who follow Islam.
First, do you believe that everything Muhammed said is divinely inspired?
Second, do you fear God? One of the reasons I dislike some religions, is that fear seems to be a large factor.
Third, how do you (personally) atone for sins?
Fourth, can you reject certain tenets of the faith, but accept others? (Is there such a thing as a "lukewarm" Muslim?)
I’ve read the Qur’an, but I have never applied any of the principles of Islam into my life, but if I’m going to explore it, I want to learn more, now. I’m ready to learn more. I have more questions, but that’s it for now.
Thank you in advance for any insights you can offer to help me.
1)
We believe that the quran is inspiration from Allah, and the commands of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him & his family) or the prophecies he did were part of the Divine Inspiration.
Proof for this is from quran:
1. By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes).
2. Your companion (Muhammad
3. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
4. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.
But not all was revelation. Proof for this is during the Trench Siege when the polytheists encircled the believers. Prophet Muhammad pbuh gave a strategy on how to defend against the enemy. Salman The Persian(companion) radiyallah anhu want asked him: O messenger of Allah is this(what u are saying) inspiration?
The messenger pbuh said no itsnt, only from my own.
Then Salman Al Farisi came with unknown strategy( unknown to the arabs) which was to digg trenches around Madina. The prophet Pbuh approved of it .
2)
It is combination Love and Fear Where Love is greater. Because worship is not possible without Love. And staying from the sins is not possible fearing the wrath(punishment) of Allah swt.
Proofs from Quran:
"And from among mankind there are some who take for themselves (objects of worship as) rivals to Allah, loving them as they should (only) love Allah. And those who believe are stronger in their love for Allah."
(Qur'an, Al-Baqarah 2:165)
Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
3) by making sincere repentance and following that with good deeds.
70. Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds, for those, Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
71. And whosoever repents and does righteous good deeds, then verily, he repents towards Allah with true repentance.
4)
No believer cant reject some stuffs and accept others.
For example a believer cant say i wont follow command of Allah regarding drinking and adultery. Or i wont fast , but do prayers vice versa.
A believer submits to Allah with complete submission.
Allah swt says:
But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.
But a believer can choose to follow Sunnah or leave it. There is no blame in leaving sunnah.
Sunnah is voluntarily worship.
Hope i answered ur questions correctly. If i made mistake its from my own soul and satan, and if i said correctly then its from Allah's guidance.
I experienced life as an atheist for the past two years. And have been an "anti" theist for nearly four years. I agree with your thoughts here because if you do things out of fear or obligation, or because of the beliefs of your family etc...your heart will not be in it. Theism can seem cold and uninviting at times. I cannot prove that god exists but I can say that I had a huge "god shaped void" during the past year, and I can only say...I'm not one of those people who doesn't need spiritualism. I do and while I don't "need" Islam, my heart is open to it. We have to follow our hearts ...for then we will be most fulfilled. Theist or atheist, we will find happiness where we find hope, love and joy.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Now you are usin' ya noggin!
Islam is really more of a practice if anything. Much like Buddhism.
I agree...do you feel Islam lessens these things for a person?
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Deidre i admire your good questions and interest in Islam . You said u left christianity because of fear and following rules. No offense,but u seem rebellious type .
We muslims submit to the commands of Allah swt and his messenger pbuh. The believer is one who says: we hear and we obey.
Iam glad to be servant of Allah the most Highest.
.We muslims submit to the commands of Allah swt and his messenger pbuh. The believer is one who says: we hear and we obey.
Iam glad to be servant of Allah the most Highest.
And he spoke of repentance and forgiveness...that it applied to him, too.
We don't know what he asked for forgiveness over. But he did.
Deidre i admire your good questions and interest in Islam . You said u left christianity because of fear and following rules. No offense,but u seem rebellious type
Lol you sound like my father
I believe this path is right for me but I am human too, and I think it is good to question.
Hmmm...he is not an enemy ...he just doesn't believe. That is ok. I don't think anyone is an enemy simply because they don't believe as we may.
Just my opinion.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
Oh hell. It is my experience with Islam all over again. This is why I left
1)
We believe that the quran is inspiration from Allah, and the commands of prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him & his family) or the prophecies he did were part of the Divine Inspiration.
Proof for this is from quran:
1. By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes).
2. Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred.
3. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.
4. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.
But not all was revelation. Proof for this is during the Trench Siege when the polytheists encircled the believers. Prophet Muhammad pbuh gave a strategy on how to defend against the enemy. Salman The Persian(companion) radiyallah anhu want asked him: O messenger of Allah is this(what u are saying) inspiration?
The messenger pbuh said no itsnt, only from my own.
Then Salman Al Farisi came with unknown strategy( unknown to the arabs) which was to digg trenches around Madina. The prophet Pbuh approved of it .
2)
It is combination Love and Fear Where Love is greater. Because worship is not possible without Love. And staying from the sins is not possible fearing the wrath(punishment) of Allah swt.
Proofs from Quran:
"And from among mankind there are some who take for themselves (objects of worship as) rivals to Allah, loving them as they should (only) love Allah. And those who believe are stronger in their love for Allah."
(Qur'an, Al-Baqarah 2:165)
Say, (O Muhammad, to mankind): If ye love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
3) by making sincere repentance and following that with good deeds.
70. Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds, for those, Allah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
71. And whosoever repents and does righteous good deeds, then verily, he repents towards Allah with true repentance.
4)
No believer cant reject some stuffs and accept others.
For example a believer cant say i wont follow command of Allah regarding drinking and adultery. Or i wont fast , but do prayers vice versa.
A believer submits to Allah with complete submission.
Allah swt says:
But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad SAW) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.
But a believer can choose to follow Sunnah or leave it. There is no blame in leaving sunnah.
Sunnah is voluntarily worship.
Hope i answered ur questions correctly. If i made mistake its from my own soul and satan, and if i said correctly then its from Allah's guidance.
Your last paragraph, I am teary eyed. You answered my questions yes but if you make genuine mistakes, it is called being human, my friend. Don't be so hard on yourself. ((Hug))
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Dude relaxt, that shahz sees islam and muslims as his enemies is visible from his posts. The guy threatened to invade Pakistan seize its nukes and forcefully annex it
If iam wrong, let him say so .