Questions about Islam

[Saint Frankenstein]

You are becoming a disgrace to the state comrade Franky! What game are you playing here! I have excellent memory and you know it!
Do you hear me comrade Yeung-lee or whatever your name is?

I'm an anarcho-communist! Smash the state!

 

[Deidre]

What I mean is that much of the stuff you mentioned as reasons for leaving Christianity aren't just theological issues and such.

Oh, yes that is true. There are things I miss, too. Why are you devoted to Catholicism?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Oh, yes that is true. There are things I miss, too. Why are you devoted to Catholicism?

I kinda have no choice. Jesus won't leave me alone. I keep trying to run away over and over but I keep getting pulled back to it.

 

[Deidre]

I kinda have no choice. Jesus won't leave me alone. I keep trying to run away over and over but I keep getting pulled back to it.

This is an endearing comment. I once thought this way. I once looked at Jesus as my "everything."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

This is an endearing comment. I once thought this way. I once looked at Jesus as my "everything."

I've been a Satanist, a Luciferian, a Pagan, veered towards atheism, etc. But it doesn't last.

 

[Deidre]

I've been a Satanist, a Luciferian, a Pagan, veered towards atheism, etc. But it doesn't last.

Then you have found your true path.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Then you have found your true path.

I think so, despite issues I have. I can't escape.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Not really, criticizing an idea isn't hate. And Islam is simply an idea.

Then again I was called an enemy of Islam and a servant of Satan. And Islam has committed genocides throughout history with this belief.

Oh goodluck with criticism.

 

[Sha'irullah]

I kinda have no choice. Jesus won't leave me alone. I keep trying to run away over and over but I keep getting pulled back to it.

Welcome to me and Islam dude!
I decided to just be a happy slave of Allah

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

And me
..and I became a Muslim around 40 years ago.

Hadith: If Almighty God wants to help somebody, He causes them to understand religious knowledge.

You are very fortunate. You are blessed doubly, strengthening your Christian belief/roots with that of Islam.

All praise is for The God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

40 years ago? Wow brother
May Allah bless you and make us die as believers. Amin


002:133
Were ye witnesses when death appeared before Jacob? Behold, he said to his sons: "What will ye worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship Thy god and the god of thy fathers, of Abraham, Isma'il and Isaac,- the one (True) Allah: To Him we bow (in Islam)."

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Welcome to me and Islam dude!
I decided to just be a happy slave of Allah

Oh, and it shows.

 

[gsa]

@Saint Frankenstein :

You asked me why did I leave Catholicism? So many reasons but that doesn't mean I still don't see beauty within it. What started it was not being able to reconcile Genesis with evolution, but the RCC will say it accepts it. and that it doesn't contradict Genesis. (It does but that's another story)

I'm reasonably certain that the creation of man out of clay is no more scientific than the creation of man out of dust. Whether or not the Quranic claim can be viewed allegorically (and there is about as much acceptance of evolution in Islam as there is in Catholicism) is kind of immaterial, because the description is no more scientific than the Genesis account.

Gods impregnating mortals was not a new "idea" before Jesus' time and so the notion that a sinless virgin gave birth to a sinless man who would turn out to be the Savior of the world rescuing us from hell due to our own sin...when God was the reason he permitted sin in the first place, is a far fetched story that reads like not even a decent fiction novel.

If you are looking to avoid the virgin birth, you will not find much help in Islam. The Quran affirms the virgin birth, although it denies the incarnation and substitutionary atonement.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

Fellow Religionists, allow Deidre to decide for herself.
Whatever she chooses let us respect her choice.

 

[gsa]

The perception of the ideology is irrelevant here if the ideology itself is violent. I don't care if I'm being rude, this is an ideology which has destroyed so much and I am living proof of this. I have more knowledge on this than almost anyone here, and I talking about first hand knowledge.

It is an ideology which is impeding humanity and science and learning.

And this is why you liberals will lose against them because quite frankly you don't have the guts to stand against Islam. You are defending a religion which pretty much advocates for the deaths of homosexuality, and atheists and polytheists and God knows what else.

I just don't think that Islam is a consistent ideology, any more than Christianity is. As I said before, the perception that Christianity is somehow more loving and pacifist than Islam or Judaism doesn't pass any reasonable historical test; the real problem is the inherent patriarchy and intolerance of dissent common to all Abrahamic religions.

And I am pretty sure that liberalism is not in any long term danger from Islamic radicalism. Political Islam will pass

I don’t blame you for your skepticism of Islam. If anyone has a reason to doubt the temperament of the tradition, Zoroastrians do. They are pretty comparable to Jews in Christendom, and Christian extremists were far more formidable opponents of liberalism (and religious minorities), yet Christianity is about to become functionally extinct in the cultures that developed it. I am convinced that Islam will change, much like Christianity did. I think that Reza Aslan is pretty much right: There is an Islamic reformation taking place right now, and part of that reformation process is Islamic fundamentalism (the Protestant Reformation was equally violent and also dominated by many extremists). The threat posed to the West and liberal democracy by Islamic extremism is nothing compared to the threat it poses to Muslims.

 

[Baladas]

I am pretty unfamiliar with Catholicism. I was a non-denominational Christian for a long time, but never Catholic. There are a fair amount of differences, from what I understand. We didn't recognize saints or believe that when we took Communion that it was the literal blood of Christ....just putting this out there.

I am at least as equally unfamiliar with Islam as I am with Catholicism, but there is truth and beauty on every path. I am glad that you are discovering an affinity for Islam, Deidre. It makes me happy for you, as I know how wonderful it can feel to find a place of belonging.

 

[FearGod]

I'm reasonably certain that the creation of man out of clay is no more scientific than the creation of man out of dust. Whether or not the Quranic claim can be viewed allegorically (and there is about as much acceptance of evolution in Islam as there is in Catholicism) is kind of immaterial, because the description is no more scientific than the Genesis account.

If we aren't made out of matter and nature, then what we are made of ?

If you are looking to avoid the virgin birth, you will not find much help in Islam. The Quran affirms the virgin birth, although it denies the incarnation and substitutionary atonement.

As we find it impossible for a virgin to get pregnant and to deliver a baby then it is the same condition for people living in that era and God enabled Jesus to speak from the cradle which confirms further the miraculous birth.

Now assuming that prophet Muhammed was fooling people at that period of time.then it would be better and easy for him to deny the miraculous birth of Jesus and to claim that he was a liar and not a true prophet and i think the Jews of that time would be glad to believe him since they rejected the message of Jesus.

But he did confirm the miracles even though he can't have it such as raising the dead, healing the sick and the blind ..etc, this fact should cause a problem to Muhammed as he should deny it instead of confirming it, a simple question will be asked to him, "then raise the dead as Jesus did".

The message should be delivered as it should be, Jesus wasn't a liar and he wasn't dead even though Muhammed himself have to face death but he confirmed that Jesus wasn't tortured and didn't die on the cross.

That of course caused a problem to him with the Jews as they believed that Jesus was the fake messiah and even the Arab people claimed that Muhammed was a mad man.

Prophet in language is derived from the word prophecy which is the same also in Arabic and i expect it to be the same in other languages, so it is the ability to foretell some events that will take place in the future and prophet Muhammed foretold about events that have to occur in the future.

A miraculous verses of the quran had appeared in a child in Russia and were observed medically, but atheists immediately denied it and claimed it to be fake,a lie, satanic..etc

 

[Jumi]

Atheists don't call things satanic. Why would we, we don't believe in Satan. And yes, there is no reason to believe that this is a miracle, instead of the parents doing these bodily markings.

 

[Jumi]

There are other religious people who believe such markings are in the bones but these are different from Islam. Are they also true or a lie?

 

[LuisDantas]

If we aren't made out of matter and nature, then what we are made of ?

Of course we are made of matter and nature. That much no one seems to be denying, despite what are often passionate disagreements.

Whether that is reason to see either the Biblical or Quranic accounts of the creation of humanity as accurate in a literal sense is something else entirely.

As we find it impossible for a virgin to get pregnant and to deliver a baby then it is the same condition for people living in that era and God enabled Jesus to speak from the cradle which confirms further the miraculous birth.

Now assuming that prophet Muhammed was fooling people at that period of time.then it would be better and easy for him to deny the miraculous birth of Jesus and to claim that he was a liar and not a true prophet and i think the Jews of that time would be glad to believe him since they rejected the message of Jesus.

Personally, I just doubt anyone from around those times expected or attempted to read scriptures literally.

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A miraculous verses of the quran had appeared in a child in Russia and were observed medically, but atheists immediately denied it and claimed it to be fake,a lie, satanic..etc

Not so much "atheists" as "skeptics". Skepticism is a good thing. It protects people from unearned belief.

 

[muhammad_isa]

May Allah bless you and make us die as believers. Amin

..and peace, blessings and the mercy of Allah be upon you..
Ameen