I actually was going to replace it with something else lol ^_^
I love what you just wrote.
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Questions about Islam
- Thread starter Deidre
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I actually was going to replace it with something else lol ^_^
psychoslice
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I myself wanted to convert to a Muslim once, I use to feel a lot of quilt, and picking a religion like Muslim I felt was because I subconsciously wanted to be strictly disciplined. I felt that I was a bad person and was as filthy rags. I now have dropped all of that, I am part of all there is, call that god or whatever, because I have realized this, I treat others as myself, because the other is also me. If we all could think this way there would be no more fighting over who's religion is the best, which is so childish.
Well you could have moved to the middle east and become a muslim convert where ISIS just shot dead 13 boys.
The crime? They watched a soccer game.
Yeah, that's it.
They watched a soccer game.
ISIS figured the little rats had become spiritually tainted by watching a soccer game. So....they lined up the 13 boys and AK-47'd them to death then let them rot in the heat and sun not allowing the parents to bury them for some time.
The parents feared for their own lives from the religion of peace.
Had I seen that, been there, I'd have grabbed an AK and taken out as many of those murderers of children that I could.
Still want to be a muslim?
The crime? They watched a soccer game.
Yeah, that's it.
They watched a soccer game.
ISIS figured the little rats had become spiritually tainted by watching a soccer game. So....they lined up the 13 boys and AK-47'd them to death then let them rot in the heat and sun not allowing the parents to bury them for some time.
The parents feared for their own lives from the religion of peace.
Had I seen that, been there, I'd have grabbed an AK and taken out as many of those murderers of children that I could.
Still want to be a muslim?
ISIS is a violent extremist group, and not representative of Islam. If Islam was a religion of terror and violence, why do we see far more Muslims who serve God in peace?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes I did wake up, but still you can't blame all Muslims for a handful of idiots.
I feel what you have said in this thread is really beautiful, and I'm sorry you felt bad about yourself at one point. I can identify with what you're saying, but strangely I don't see Islam as oppressive. (although it's very structured, I like that aspect of it) Maybe there are also people in life who need spirituality of some type, and I think I'm one such person. Identifying as an atheist felt 'right,' for a time, but this past year...when my grandmother became increasingly ill, I struggled without the comfort of faith. I wonder if I was raised by atheists, if I'd feel this longing for spirituality. I don't know.
All you say here, is found within us, and a lot of religion or spiritual paths take into account common sense ...if we all just treated one another as we wish to be treated, there would be virtue born from that, by itself.
Well, lessee now. ISIS grows by at least 1,000 fighters a week. ISIS says they are islamic, enforcing islamic fundamentalisim.
At what point do we have to look at the facts that islamic violence is on the rise.
Sharply on the rise.
The lastest contributions from the religion of peace.
2015.01.20 (Jaghuri, Afghanistan) - Women and children are among eight civilians ripped to shreds by a Sunni roadside bomb.
2015.01.19 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A guard loses his life when Islamists attack a polio team.
2015.01.18 (Bihar, India) - A young Hindu man is murdered by Muslims for dating a Muslim girl. (This triggers a deadly riot).
2015.01.18 (Potiskum, Nigeria) - A female suicide bomber detonates at a bus station, claiming four kills.
2015.01.17 (Rawalpindi, Pakistan) - A Shiite lawyer and his two nephews are sprayed with automatic weapons fire by dedicated Sunnis.
2015.01.17 (Sabaa al-Bour, Iraq) - Five Shiites at a market are reduced to pulp by Sunni bombers.
Note this spans but FOUR days.
There are 1.6 Billion muslims or about 23.4% of the world population.
I've read 10% are fundamentalists that partake of violence or support those that do.
I've read 15% from other sources.
What is 10% of 1.6 Billion? A whole lot of people. More people than the entire military of the U.S, France, and Brittain combined.
In the middle east sunnis kill shiites, then there are the sunnis that kill sunnies over tribal issues, and it goes on and on and on. Been like that for 1400 years and it grows worse daily.\
The goal of islam is world dominance, they say so. In words, in print, everywhere.
I've still not heard on even one nun wrapping up in platic explosive to blow up a meeting of Baptists.
Sum'pin' ain't right.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
So, are you thinking that if Islam didn't exist -- we would have less strife, less wars, less violence in the world?
Hi Deidre, I can see that you are a kind and a wonderful person, so it doesn't matter what religion you choose, your going to be a wonderful prize for God, and if there is anything wrong in whatever religion you decide, I know you are intelligent enough to work that out for yourself..
Oh, you are a really kind man, you know? Really, you say very nice things, thank you.
I feel teary eyed, oh! ^_^
((hug))
Didn't want to go down this path within this thread, lol but thought this was an interesting commentary.
The Khalifa of Islam Is The Cure For The ISIS Crisis | The Daily Caller
The Khalifa of Islam Is The Cure For The ISIS Crisis | The Daily Caller
A HANDFUL????????? there are at least 40,000 handfuls of ISIS fighters and ISIS grows by 1,000 fighter a week.
A handful of idoits?
1.6 Billion islamics. I've read 10 to 15 % of muslims are active in terrorist activites or support those who are.
What is 10% of 1.6 Billion?
Is it a handful?
This thread is for questions on Islam, not ISIS. Whether you accept it or not, the two are not interchangeable. Terrorism and extremist violence is not synonymous with Islam.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Well it is a handful compared to the full number, but that's not my point, most Muslims are descent people, and your way of thinking isn't going to help anyone, tit for tat never does.
MD
qualiaphile
Well to be fair, there's
1) ISIS
2) Taliban
3) Al Qaeda
4) Iranian Govt
5) Saudi Govt
6) Pakistan Govt
7) Salafis
8) Wahhabis
9) Large percentage of Muslims support death penalty for apostasy
10) Boko Haram
11) Somalia
12) Hezbollah
And many more...
I'd say a considerable minority are extremists, but still a minority nonetheless. I also think that a lot of the above groups were caused more as much by American foreign policy as Islamic extremism.
Great commentary and good to realize there are groups that shun all violence.
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So, are you thinking that if Islam didn't exist -- we would have less strife, less wars, less violence in the world?
Sort of, kinda, maybe, but that is a too simplistic approach.
Islam does exist and it's not going away.
I'm encourage that the vast majority of muslims denounce the Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, Al Queda, Boka Horram (SP?) and the dozens of other terrorist groups.
Boka had a good week last week, killing two thousand in North Africa the reason for the killings were.....................well, because they could I guess.
In my over 22 yr. experience as a police officer I knew several muslim busineeman.
The were soft spoken, kind, education, most owned small businesses.
They really liked us local cops too, supported us, spoke well of us and I felt them assets to the community.
Years later I learned from the F.B.I. that these men were funneling money to arm
radical muslim terrorist groups.
They sure had me fooled. Of course on the local police level we had not the resources that the Feds have to track money & where it went.
I'm sure most muslims don't funnel money to support terror groupsd.
Probably 85% or more muslims abhore the actions of the 'handfull' of radicals.
For 10 years of my career I was a detective for the last 3 of those 10 I was Chief of Invesetigations. We were having rapes of single women in nice apartments.
Some guy would jimmy the door, hold a knife to the throats of the victims and rape them. fortunately none were physically injured. The victims could not i.d. the perp as it was dark but they all said he reeked of cigarettes and spoke broken english.
We developed a suspect. He was a young Bedoin man, carried an Arabic to English pocket dictionary. We interviewed him. He chain smoked Camels. I examined his dictionary. He had english words underlined. "rape", "sex","woman", etc.
Still there was no hard evidence. After the interview I presented what little we had to a grand jury who did indict him. Before I could make the arrest he was put on a plane back to Yemen and out of reach. The rapes stopped.
A muslim man told me the Bedoin was undereducated, not very bright, and likely saw no crime in what he was suspected of doing as the victims were infidels thus
fair game under sharia law.
Perhaps I'm jaded by seeing way too much for way too long?
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Maybe so, I don't really know.
Good point and well taken.
Yours also Deidre.
And I agree our foreign policy regards the middle east has been a miserable failure.
We created the vacuum filled by terror groups.
I can only hope the decent, God fearing, dedicated muslims can somehow get their
points across to those radicals.
Part of the problems are also created by the proliferation of small arms in the middle eastern countries where every muslim household is allowed one AK-47 for self defense. We think it's easy to get firearms in the U.S.
In the middle east passing gun control laws just isn't done. Firearms are very much part of the culture. Weapons in the hands of children has been normal for thousands of years, pre islam years.
It's estimated at least 90 million Kalashnikovs have been produced world wide.
Honestly I do try to understand the minds & cultural norms of the middle east muslims. I read all I can on islam trying to understand the motivation toward violence.
Going to war in Iraq and Afganistan was a flat out blunder.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
It certainly was a blunder.
Did we forget about the Holocaust? Slavery on American soil? The Crusades? All of the wars throughout history? Global human trafficking? Blood diamonds? Child pornography? Corrupt Christian churches?
Does it make people feel better to think that all of the horrors of the world, are because of the middle east and Islam?
The truth is, it is not religion but mankind that causes all of these problems. I'm starting to wonder if the inherent nature of mankind is ...bad. But for me to be moved to even thinking about religion again, there has to be something here worth exploring. I would never support a religion of violence. It goes against everything I'm about. But, I know that these terrorist groups are not part of the Islam I'm learning about, they are not interested in anything but greed, power, and domination. And they USE Islam to achieve it, just like Hitler made up lies to gain popularity and conquer.
Your points are not falling on deaf ears...but, the problems of the world have largely been because of man's insatiable ego and quest for power and control. We are dealing with Korea too, and others could easily pose a threat to the US.
Islam is an easy target because to blame an ideology, is easy. This is how I feel, fwiw.
Does it make people feel better to think that all of the horrors of the world, are because of the middle east and Islam?
The truth is, it is not religion but mankind that causes all of these problems. I'm starting to wonder if the inherent nature of mankind is ...bad. But for me to be moved to even thinking about religion again, there has to be something here worth exploring. I would never support a religion of violence. It goes against everything I'm about. But, I know that these terrorist groups are not part of the Islam I'm learning about, they are not interested in anything but greed, power, and domination. And they USE Islam to achieve it, just like Hitler made up lies to gain popularity and conquer.
Your points are not falling on deaf ears...but, the problems of the world have largely been because of man's insatiable ego and quest for power and control. We are dealing with Korea too, and others could easily pose a threat to the US.
Islam is an easy target because to blame an ideology, is easy. This is how I feel, fwiw.