Questions about Islam

[MD]

Did we forget about the Holocaust? Slavery on American soil? The Crusades? All of the wars throughout history? Global human trafficking? Blood diamonds? Child pornography? Corrupt Christian churches?

Does it make people feel better to think that all of the horrors of the world, are because of the middle east and Islam?

The truth is, it is not religion but mankind that causes all of these problems. I'm starting to wonder if the inherent nature of mankind is ...bad. But for me to be moved to even thinking about religion again, there has to be something here worth exploring. I would never support a religion of violence. It goes against everything I'm about. But, I know that these terrorist groups are not part of the Islam I'm learning about, they are not interested in anything but greed, power, and domination. And they USE Islam to achieve it, just like Hitler made up lies to gain popularity and conquer.

Your points are not falling on deaf ears...but, the problems of the world have largely been because of man's insatiable ego and quest for power and control. We are dealing with Korea too, and others could easily pose a threat to the US.

Islam is an easy target because to blame an ideology, is easy. This is how I feel, fwiw.

I think your arguments are wrong. The Holocaust and American slavery was caused by the idea of racial superiority and is deemed wrong now. The Crusades were caused by the idea of Christian superiority and is deemed wrong now. All the other problems have nothing to do with the original argument, which is that Islamic doctrine itself has led to the issues at hand. Man is bad, but when man has ideologies which promote more sorts of badness, he gets worse. Islam promotes religious superiority, why is that not seen as wrong?

I'm not technically an American, and a lot of my background from the Middle East. The horrors of the world are not only because of Islam, but the horrors that I have seen and heard, the horrors in my world Islam plays a big part. Not everyone is as ignorant as you think they are. If humanity is to progress in my opinion we have to really drop the Abrahamic faiths completely.

 

[FearGod]

Well you could have moved to the middle east and become a muslim convert where ISIS just shot dead 13 boys.
The crime? They watched a soccer game.
Yeah, that's it.
They watched a soccer game.
ISIS figured the little rats had become spiritually tainted by watching a soccer game. So....they lined up the 13 boys and AK-47'd them to death then let them rot in the heat and sun not allowing the parents to bury them for some time.
The parents feared for their own lives from the religion of peace.
Had I seen that, been there, I'd have grabbed an AK and taken out as many of those murderers of children that I could.
Still want to be a muslim?

The ones whom were watching the soccer game were Muslims and all Muslim countries love soccer games,the ISIS isn't supported by Muslim countries and i believe they're against Islam.

Killing an innocent soul is a great sin that God doesn't forgive and watching a game isn't a crime, so i always believe that the ISIS members are hypocrites and atheists wearing an Islamic mask.

 

[Deidre]

I think your arguments are wrong. The Holocaust and American slavery was caused by the idea of racial superiority and is deemed wrong now. The Crusades were caused by the idea of Christian superiority and is deemed wrong now. All the other problems have nothing to do with the original argument, which is that Islamic doctrine itself has led to the issues at hand. Man is bad, but when man has ideologies which promote more sorts of badness, he gets worse. Islam promotes religious superiority, why is that not seen as wrong?

I'm not technically an American, and a lot of my background from the Middle East. If humanity is to progress in my opinion we have to really drop the Abrahamic faiths eventually.

Terrorism is deemed wrong, by the majority of Muslims and the rest of the world. Not sure what you mean by ''deemed wrong now.'' It is deemed wrong now.

''Technically?'' lol Hmmm. ^_^

 

[MD]

Terrorism is deemed wrong, by the majority of Muslims and the rest of the world. Not sure what you mean by ''deemed wrong now.'' It is deemed wrong now.

''Technically?'' lol Hmmm. ^_^

I live in USA but my family moved to Canada. I'm on a work visa. My dad's family is from Iran. All of those things weren't seen as wrong at the time. Non Muslims are second class citizens in Islamic countries. Many people in those countries see many of the terrorist attacks as partly justifiable. Lots of anti semitism. Lots of non muslim persecution for centuries and continues today. All of this is supported and backed by Quranic doctrine.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Terrorism is deemed wrong, by the majority of Muslims and the rest of the world. Not sure what you mean by ''deemed wrong now.'' It is deemed wrong now.

''Technically?'' lol Hmmm. ^_^

Be careful of how you defend other Dre-chan. It is entirely relative. The vast majority of Muslims in countries like Saudi Arabia or Egypt support violence. While the more liberal areas are found in South Asia and Europe. Islam is ruled by culture and its influence. Islam came from Arab culture thus they feel the need to defend it more. While Islam is adopted by many cultures hence their less defensiveness.

 

[jeager106]

Did we forget about the Holocaust? Slavery on American soil? The Crusades? All of the wars throughout history? Global human trafficking? Blood diamonds? Child pornography? Corrupt Christian churches?

Does it make people feel better to think that all of the horrors of the world, are because of the middle east and Islam?

The truth is, it is not religion but mankind that causes all of these problems. I'm starting to wonder if the inherent nature of mankind is ...bad. But for me to be moved to even thinking about religion again, there has to be something here worth exploring. I would never support a religion of violence. It goes against everything I'm about. But, I know that these terrorist groups are not part of the Islam I'm learning about, they are not interested in anything but greed, power, and domination. And they USE Islam to achieve it, just like Hitler made up lies to gain popularity and conquer.

Your points are not falling on deaf ears...but, the problems of the world have largely been because of man's insatiable ego and quest for power and control. We are dealing with Korea too, and others could easily pose a threat to the US.

Islam is an easy target because to blame an ideology, is easy. This is how I feel, fwiw.

Deidre my dear you are totally correct. You make fine points and I find that I listen to you out of respect for your intellect.
I thank you for expanding my world view.
It's too easy to blame and I hate blaming.
I'll stop blaming. If all I do is look for evil then all I will see is evil.
How you feel, the way you represent your "self", is enlightening to me.
You are a wonderful woman.

 

[Deidre]

Deidre my dear you are totally correct. You make fine points and I find that I listen to you out of respect for your intellect.
I thank you for expanding my world view.
It's too easy to blame and I hate blaming.
I'll stop blaming. If all I do is look for evil then all I will see is evil.
How you feel, the way you represent your "self", is enlightening to me.
You are a wonderful woman.

Are you being for real? lol ^_^
If so .....thank you very much, this is nice of you.

 

[FearGod]

Thank you for your replies, as well! Do you view Islam as the only path to knowing who a God might be? I'm just curious on that point.

TY for the video clip, I will watch tonight, and let you know my thoughts.

I believe religion is about submission to the creator of our universe and Islam means submission and peace with God.

2 Chronicles 30:8
Do not be stiff-necked, as your ancestors were; submit to the Lord. Come to his sanctuary, which he has consecrated forever. Serve the Lord your God, so that his fierce anger will turn away from you.

Job 22:21
“Submit to God and be at peace with him; in this way prosperity will come to you.

 

[jeager106]

Yes for real my dear.
Like so much of the world I'm sick of the killing by muslims.
It's jaded by thinking about the vast majority of islamics.
I think that is what the radicals want.

 

[Deidre]

Yes for real my dear.
Like so much of the world I'm sick of the killing by muslims.
It's jaded by thinking about the vast majority of islamics.
I think that is what the radicals want.

All we can do is try to make the world better, alone and together.
Thank you for your kind words.

 

[jeager106]

All we can do is try to make the world better, alone and together.
Thank you for your kind words.

If all felt that way we would have that paradise we were promised.

 

[Deidre]

I did find this when I was looking for something else, today. How does a modern Muslim woman view this?

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: A Woman is Worth Less than a Man

 

[Poeticus]

ISIS is a violent extremist group, and not representative of Islam.

Not representative of Islam? On what dictations do you propose such a statement? Abrahamic faiths like Islam and Christianity are doctrinal, credal, and monopolized by a central text. On that reality alone, it is perfectly legitimate to scrutinize them under analytical lens that evaluate the expressions of religious outward-rigorism by the adherents of those religions. To whitewash it as "not representative of X and Y" defeats the purpose. Religious groups or communities that are motivated by doctrinal, credal, and centralized textual understandings express their bind to their faith on a spectrum of sorts: this, as I have said on numerous occasions, can be from anywhere of being Teletubbies soft all the way to the marauding rapism that the ISIS conducts on a daily basis against Yazidi women. To deny this facet of socio-religious interaction is to lie to oneself continuously in order to support not only preconceived notions of what is palpable, but also to support conclusions made prior to any subsequent research conducted afterwards.

Did we forget about the Holocaust? Slavery on American soil? The Crusades? All of the wars throughout history? Global human trafficking? Blood diamonds? Child pornography? Corrupt Christian churches?

... and you are forgetting that you are conducting a false equivalency.

I did find this when I was looking for something else, today. How does a modern Muslim woman view this?
TheReligionofPeace - Islam: A Woman is Worth Less than a Man

Disregard that source, and see if the following is of any merit (it easily illustrates the concerns many Muslimahs have in patriarchal Muslim societies that are religiously rigorist in their understanding of the strains of their faith). I would suggest not only listening to the podcast, but also reading the user comments found below: Between War and Controversy: The Untold Story of Rima Fakih, Miss USA 2010. And when you get the time, I'd also recommend watching the documentary called Honor Diaries.

 

[Godobeyer]

I myself wanted to convert to a Muslim once, I use to feel a lot of quilt, and picking a religion like Muslim I felt was because I subconsciously wanted to be strictly disciplined. I felt that I was a bad person and was as filthy rags. I now have dropped all of that, I am part of all there is, call that god or whatever, because I have realized this, I treat others as myself, because the other is also me. If we all could think this way there would be no more fighting over who's religion is the best, which is so childish.

IF three was no extremists in Muslim world ; many of non-Muslims whom want to accept Islam , would accept Islam without hesitation .andsome are conspiracy against Islam and Muslims , like Alqaeda and ISIS ,which indirectly supported by weapon and teleport fighters against Soviet union and Bashar Assad .

since ISIS or Alqaeda or Boko Haram are principale enemy , and we (Muslims) are in war with them on the ground .there is no excuse to tell to God .

in Hereafter, in Jugdement day , for God that's not a good excuse , because everyone had eyes to read and had mind to understand , and distinct . and Internet could be best help/seeker for knowing the truth .

 

[K786]

Hi.. I think most of your questions were answered.. There's just a few things I have to say.. With regards to fear in Islam there has to be a balance between fear and hope so basically.. So basically when you do something wrong you should fear God but at the same you should have hope in the mercy of God.. This keeps us on the straight path but at the same time doesn't make us despondent if we do something wrong..

With regards to "lukewarm" Islam.. I would say Islam is simple and is a way of life however you get rulings that are compulsory such as praying 5 times a day and fasting in the month of Ramadhaan.. But also there are some rulings that while are recommended or seen as the best way to do stuff as in how we should eat, sleep etc but there is no sin if we do it differently or any other way

As for the article.. Most of the writings are taken out of context.. As for two woman being equal to one man as a witness.. It is because generally women are more emotional than men when making decisions so if there are two it is more likely they won't bear false witness.. With regards to marrying more than one woman.. Before Islam in the Arab tribes there was no limit on the amount of women you could marry.. Islam put a limit on four as the most however in the Qur'aan it recommends you to only take one however if you cannot you can take up to four but you should treat them all justly

 

[Godobeyer]

I did find this when I was looking for something else, today. How does a modern Muslim woman view this?

TheReligionofPeace - Islam: A Woman is Worth Less than a Man

think again, that anti-Islam website view .

if you want Islam view , search in Islamic sources . or post your question in Islam DIR

that's why i asked you before , to ask about the meaning of verse of Quran . Why,When,What God mean by this verse ?

 

[Deidre]

think again, that anti-Islam website view .

if you want Islam view , search in Islamic sources . or post your question in Islam DIR

that's why i asked you before , to ask about the meaning of verse of Quran . Why,When,What God mean by this verse ?

Oh! I didn't see the homepage of that site until just now. :/
I was looking for something else and this page came up, and all I read were the texts, and the interpretations. Thank u for pointing it out to me!

I'm examining Islam in much the same way I did with Christianity, when I became an adult. As a child, I couldn't really examine it properly. Of what I've come to know, I believe it is the path (Islam) that I'll settle on for myself. Thank you for your help with this.

 

[Godobeyer]

Oh! I didn't see the homepage of that site until just now. :/
I was looking for something else and this page came up, and all I read were the texts, and the interpretations. Thank u for pointing it out to me!

I'm examining Islam in much the same way I did with Christianity, when I became an adult. As a child, I couldn't really examine it properly. Of what I've come to know, I believe it is the path (Islam) that I'll settle on for myself. Thank you for your help with this.

you are welcome for any help or question .

take your time examining Islam . and i am glad that you detect the right path :Islam .

God may guide you to the right way , ameen .

 

[Deidre]

Not representative of Islam? On what dictations do you propose such a statement? Abrahamic faiths like Islam and Christianity are doctrinal, credal, and monopolized by a central text. On that reality alone, it is perfectly legitimate to scrutinize them under analytical lens that evaluate the expressions of religious outward-rigorism by the adherents of those religions. To whitewash it as "not representative of X and Y" defeats the purpose. Religious groups or communities that are motivated by doctrinal, credal, and centralized textual understandings express their bind to their faith on a spectrum of sorts: this, as I have said on numerous occasions, can be from anywhere of being Teletubbies soft all the way to the marauding rapism that the ISIS conducts on a daily basis against Yazidi women. To deny this facet of socio-religious interaction is to lie to oneself continuously in order to support not only preconceived notions of what is palpable, but also to support conclusions made prior to any subsequent research conducted afterwards.

I see what you're saying, and yes, valid points. There are many interpretations of a central text, and I'd have to say those that bring about the most harm into the world, and use the writings as justification for their actions, is wrong. I say that no matter what label or 'religious status,' I attach to myself. Most devout Muslims don't support these extremist groups.

... and you are forgetting that you are conducting a false equivalency.

How do you see it as a false equivalency?

Disregard that source, and see if the following is of any merit (it easily illustrates the concerns many Muslimahs have in patriarchal Muslim societies that are religiously rigorist in their understanding of the strains of their faith). I would suggest not only listening to the podcast, but also reading the user comments found below: Between War and Controversy: The Untold Story of Rima Fakih, Miss USA 2010. And when you get the time, I'd also recommend watching the documentary called Honor Diaries.

Yes, that source was posted in error. Ugh. I looked at it, and should have clicked the homepage link at the bottom then I would've seen it is an anti-Islam website. As to what you say here, thank you for those suggestions. (and for your points of view here, as well)

Hi.. I think most of your questions were answered.. There's just a few things I have to say.. With regards to fear in Islam there has to be a balance between fear and hope so basically.. So basically when you do something wrong you should fear God but at the same you should have hope in the mercy of God.. This keeps us on the straight path but at the same time doesn't make us despondent if we do something wrong..

With regards to "lukewarm" Islam.. I would say Islam is simple and is a way of life however you get rulings that are compulsory such as praying 5 times a day and fasting in the month of Ramadhaan.. But also there are some rulings that while are recommended or seen as the best way to do stuff as in how we should eat, sleep etc but there is no sin if we do it differently or any other way

As for the article.. Most of the writings are taken out of context.. As for two woman being equal to one man as a witness.. It is because generally women are more emotional than men when making decisions so if there are two it is more likely they won't bear false witness.. With regards to marrying more than one woman.. Before Islam in the Arab tribes there was no limit on the amount of women you could marry.. Islam put a limit on four as the most however in the Qur'aan it recommends you to only take one however if you cannot you can take up to four but you should treat them all justly

Thank you much, this has been helpful! Women are more emotional, lol Hmmm...
It is insightful to hear your pov as you mentioned to me you have been Muslim all of your life. So you would know.
I like the compulsory parts of Islam, in terms of prayer and fasting. I also think you are right about the fear aspect of God. Many religions have fear as a driving factor to bring about obedience. It was a major turnoff for me with Christianity, but in Islam, many may follow it for the very same reasons, that turned me off. Having said that, I don't believe anyone should follow a faith out of fear. (as the main force) I view Islam's practices and customs aligning with how I view spirituality, especially Islamic Sufism. I have a long ways to go, but I take each day as it comes, and I learn a little more, and embrace it a little more. TY kindly for your help.

IF three was no extremists in Muslim world ; many of non-Muslims whom want to accept Islam , would accept Islam without hesitation .andsome are conspiracy against Islam and Muslims , like Alqaeda and ISIS ,which indirectly supported by weapon and teleport fighters against Soviet union and Bashar Assad .

since ISIS or Alqaeda or Boko Haram are principale enemy , and we (Muslims) are in war with them on the ground .there is no excuse to tell to God .

in Hereafter, in Jugdement day , for God that's not a good excuse , because everyone had eyes to read and had mind to understand , and distinct . and Internet could be best help/seeker for knowing the truth .

Exactly, I don't believe anyone needs to be coerced into belief. I like how you worded this, Godobeyer.

 

[K786]

Basically it's like when you disobey your parents and don't want them to find out.. While you fearful of the punishment.. It's only because of your love and respect of them you care what they think and are therefore fearful of their disappointment more than the actual punishment.. its kinda the same kind of fear when it comes to God.. Sorry I don't know how to properly put it in words what I mean