Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah

[Trailblazer]

Christians thought Jesus was the end of the Prophetic age, even though he didn't say that. Muslims thought Muhammed was the end of the Prophetic age (which the Qur'an seemed to say according to their interpretations, the Qur'an which is supposed to be the authentic words of God according to the Bahai), but now Baha'u'llah is the end of the Prophetic Age. Why? Because he said so I guess.

What Baha'is believe is that Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets, the last Prophet in the prophetic age, so Muhammad 'sealed off' the Prophetic Age. When the Bab came a new age was ushered in and that is called the Age of Fulfillment because all the prophecies will be fulfilled in this age. That does not mean there will be no more Prophets, Messengers of God (Prophets) will continue to be sent to humanity as long as humanity exists.

 

[Trailblazer]

No. Bahaollah said he was more than a messenger, he was the sender of prophets and messengers.

No, Baha'u'llah was not the sender of prophets and messengers, God is the sender.

I asked you when? Why are you using a terminology which you know is wrong?

I did not use that terminology, it came from a BahaiTeachings.org article.

Messiah to come on the day of judgement? Do you mean that the Day of Judgment, the Time of the End, the End of the World, to establish the kingdom of God on Earth. has already passed 200 years ago!

The Day of Judgment has already come:

"In the Bahá’í interpretation, the coming of each Manifestation of God is a Day of Judgment, but the coming of the supreme Manifestation of Bahá’u’lláh is the great Day of Judgment for the world cycle in which we are living."

I suggest you read the entire article: The Day of Judgment

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

What Baha'is believe is that Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets, the last Prophet in the prophetic age, so Muhammad 'sealed off' the Prophetic Age. When the Bab came a new age was ushered in and that is called the Age of Fulfillment because all the prophecies will be fulfilled in this age. That does not mean there will be no more Prophets, Messengers of God (Prophets) will continue to be sent to humanity as long as humanity exists.

But not for 1000 years will there be any?

 

[Trailblazer]

But not for 1000 years will there be any?

Not until at least the year 2863 AD, which is 1000 years from when Baha'u'llah declared His Mission.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

No, Baha'u'llah was not the sender of prophets and messengers, God is the sender

There is this discussion on this topic I remembered reading at one time.

I always like to consider there is thoughts about these concepts that help us broaden our own mind as to what is a Manifestation of God.

Manifestion Explained - Baha'i Library Forum

My idea is that speaking with the Voice of God, all the Messengers could be seen as the sender of the Messengers and may say they did send messengers, but I see it is God that is sending them.

What we have to consider is, we do not have translations of all the writings available and these points arise as others do provisional translations.

Regards Tony

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

The Time of the End and the End of the World is in reference to what some Christians believe.
In the Bible, the correct translation is the end of an age, not the end of the world.

When the Bab appeared, that signaled the end of a the prophetic age, and a new age began, the age of fulfillment, the age in which the Kingdom of God will be built on earth as it is in heaven.

So why do bibles say End of the World?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Not until at least the year 2863 AD, which is 1000 years from when Baha'u'llah declared His Mission.

You're wrong there. Here's a list of religion that started in the last century. List of religious movements that began in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Spirit of Light]

You're wrong there. Here's a list of religion that started in the last century. List of religious movements that began in the United States - Wikipedia

Is she wrong if Bahaullah has said it? Is her belief wrong because you say it?
Is her belief in Baha’i teaching wrong because you do not believe in it?
Does science prove Baha'i belief is wrong?

When will you realize people will still believe in religion and in religious teachers/prophets no matter what a non believer as your self says?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Is she wrong if Bahaullah has said it? Is her belief wrong because you say it?
Is her belief in Baha’i teaching wrong because you do not believe in it?
Does science prove Baha'i belief is wrong?

When will you realize people will still believe in religion and in religious teachers/prophets no matter what a non believer as your self says?

If I only present the evidence that religions are starting all the time, that's enough. List of religious movements that began in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Spirit of Light]

If I only present the evidence that religions are starting all the time, that's enough. List of religious movements that began in the United States - Wikipedia

So what is your goal?

If @Trailblazer or any other religious person want to believe in a God, why does it bother you so much?

Feel free to disbelieve but let those who have faith in God have it.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

So what is your goal?

If @Trailblazer or any other religious person want to believe in a God, why does it bother you so much?

Feel free to disbelieve but let those who have faith in God have it.

This is a debate section. If only 1 side is represented it's not a debate.

 

[Spirit of Light]

This is a debate section. If only 1 side is represented it's not a debate.

So you only use opposite view than @Trailblazer to make a debate? You dont actually mean all the gobligook you say?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

So you only use opposite view than @Trailblazer to make a debate? You dont actually mean all the gobligook you say?

I also link to the independent proof.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I also link to the independent proof.

Well, @Trailblazer and other members has very good proof of their views or belief, what makes your "proof" better than their proof?

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

Well, @Trailblazer and other members has very good proof of their views or belief, what makes your "proof" better than their proof?

Because they admit they believe, google links are proof of what we know.

Galileo Galilei - Wikipedia

Catholic Church and capital punishment - Wikipedia

Capital punishment for homosexuality - Wikipedia

Stoning - Wikipedia

Female genital mutilation

Countries that practice or believe in witchcraft

 

[Spirit of Light]

Because they admit they believe, google links are proof of what we know.

Galileo Galilei - Wikipedia

Catholic Church and capital punishment - Wikipedia

Capital punishment for homosexuality - Wikipedia

Stoning - Wikipedia

Female genital mutilation

Countries that practice or believe in witchcraft

So everything you can search on Google is truth?

 

[Trailblazer]

So everything you can search on Google is truth?

And even if it is true, what does that prove about religion?

What fallible humans do does not prove anything about the religion itself.

 

[Spirit of Light]

And even if it is true, what does that prove about Islam or the Baha'i Faith?

I am sure Paul can probably dredge up something that Muslims did back on history, but what people did still does not prove anything about Muhammad or the religion itself.

To understand religion one has to study it for years, belief does not arise in a day it arise over time in to faith in the teaching, God and prophets

 

[Trailblazer]

So everything you can search on Google is truth?

You beat me to the punch on that rating... See how I edited it to cover all the religions.

 

[Trailblazer]

To understand religion one has to study it for years, belief does not arise in a day it arise over time in to faith in the teaching, God and prophets

That's true, and of one never embarks upon the journey, one never gets to the destination.

I knew very little about the Baha'i Faith until I started to study it during the last eight years, but I knew enough to know it was true within the first two weeks.