How often do you read it and how closely do you follow all its laws and things? If you don't follow it very closely, how is it that you feel comfortable not paying too much attention to what is written within it? If you do pay attention to it carefully and follow everything inside of it as closely as possible, do you personally wash your bummy and genitals and all that (like the Muslims do) every time you go to the bathroom to urinate or defecate? I'm curious if the Bahai do this.
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Questions for knowledgeable Bahai / followers of Baha'u'llah
- Thread starter DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan
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Here are some of my questions to other people: The Artist Magistra Q that hopefully can shed some light
Do Bahai believe or place any emphasis on "evil spirits"?
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
No, we do not believe in evil spirits, so we do not believe that Satan is a real entity.
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
According to these people preaching the Baha'i faith here, Baha’u’llah says so, is their "proof". They have nothing else. I've been trying for a l-o-n-g time trying to get something else from them, but all I get is an endless game of avoidance tactics. Which clearly means they have nothing but his "word" for "proof".
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
Yes they do:
“His correspondent evidently asked him for the proofs of his mission and his answer is admirable for its precision and clearness. It rests upon two verses of the Qur’án; according to the first, no one can reveal verses even though assisted by the entire world of men and evil spirits; according to the second, no one can understand the meaning of the verses of the Qur’án except God, and men of solid learning.” (Preface, p. 5.)
Tablets of Abdul-Baha Abbas
Author: ‘Abdu’l-Bahá Source: Bahá’í Publishing Committee, 1909 edition Pages: 730
O thou who art attracted to the Holy Fragrances!
The light of truth hath made thine eyes to see, the voice of God hath made thine ears to hear and the lights emanating from the beauty of the Light of the World both made thine heart attracted and astonished. I hope that thou wilt cut thyself from all that is in this world; wilt sever thyself from all desires of this transitory world; wilt attach thy heart entirely to the light of truth and wilt, at all times, rise in the service of truth in the rose-garden of God.
The deriding of the enemy addeth to the joy of the heart and taunting of the ignorant becometh the means of spirituality and fragrance.
Observe that the Pharisees called His Holiness, the sweet and the divine Christ, Beelzebub or the head of evil spirits.
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
The old race mostly keeps ignoring him or finding fault with his prophecies.
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
He has to prove he's a messenger from god. Just saying he is, doesn't mean he is.
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
Circular reasoning. You might as well say "I believe in god because churches exist."
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
The same as other religions. Their proof is usually their bible. Circular logic.
"I don't believe in god, because it's dog in reverse!!!!
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
They will claim that even though he wrote evil spirits he meant something else.
How about Angels, do Bahai believe in Angels or any sort of intelligent beings or creatures other than just humans and the animals?
The Qur'an talks about a race of beings known as Malaika (Angels) and a race of beings known as Jinn (they are not really spirits or anything, they are made of plasma, which is ionized gas or gaseous creatures), and talks about the ease in which other races and beings can be created, and seems to imply the heavenly beings made as mates may be some other sort of new alien creature as well with big eyes, so houris don't appear to be humans or have an exact human development or history. So that is about 4 races of intelligent beings, 2 of which are given the test, 2 of which are more subservient and saved. There are also others possibly, and the animals such as ants and birds and other things are each races and "people" and given intelligence at the level of human beings but communicating in their own languages and ways.
So the Qur'an is full of these things, written about in an extremely literal and specific fashion, down to the material they are made with, their activities on Earth and interests, stuff like that which makes it hard to perceive these as just flowery language stuff.
Do you think these were just bluffs? In 1000 years will the writings of Baha'u'llah also be considered a bluff and full of misleading untruths if the Qur'an's words as the most authenticated of God's words (according to some earlier quotes) was just making up things to lie and confuse people and make them think "Allah created the jinn out of smokeless fire (plasma/ionized gas)" when Allah in fact did no such thing?
When did the Bahai or how did the Bahai come to reject this aspect of the Qur'an and give up the belief in creatures other than humans and animals?
PAUL MARKHAM
Well-Known Member
Whenever Bahaullah tells them to. Like Muslims believe what Mohammed tells them to.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Below is one passage in the Writings of Baha'u'llah that refers to angels and describes what Baha'is believe they are:
"And now, concerning His words: “And He shall send His angels….” By “angels” is meant those who, reinforced by the power of the spirit, have consumed, with the fire of the love of God, all human traits and limitations, and have clothed themselves with the attributes of the most exalted Beings and of the Cherubim. That holy man, Ṣádiq, 37 in his eulogy of the Cherubim, saith: “There stand a company of our fellow-Shí’ihs behind the Throne.” Divers and manifold are the interpretations of the words “behind the Throne.” In one sense, they indicate that no true Shí’ihs exist. Even as he hath said in another passage: “A true believer is likened unto the philosopher’s stone.” Addressing subsequently his listener, he saith: “Hast thou ever seen the philosopher’s stone?” Reflect, how this symbolic language, more eloquent than any speech, however direct, testifieth to the non-existence of a true believer. Such is the testimony of Ṣádiq. And now consider, how unfair and numerous are those who, although they themselves have failed to inhale the fragrance of belief, have condemned as infidels those by whose word belief itself is recognized and established.
And now, inasmuch as these holy beings have sanctified themselves from every human limitation, have become endowed with the attributes of the spiritual, and have been adorned with the noble traits of the blessed, they therefore have been designated as “angels.” Such is the meaning of these verses, every word of which hath been expounded by the aid of the most lucid texts, the most convincing arguments, and the best established evidences."
The Kitáb-i-Íqán, pp. 78-80
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
So what? That's their loss.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
He did, but most people do not recognize the proofs.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
He could make a thousand claims but where is the evidence?
False. You are forgetting Ahmadiyya religion established by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.
Messiah to come on the day of judgement? Do you mean that the Day of Judgment, the Time of the End, the End of the World, to establish the kingdom of God on Earth. has already passed 200 years ago!
How come that we are still around? Was he hallucinating, was under influence of some drug, had quarreled with one or all of his three wives? He was claiming what no one in his sane mind would claim.
Whose fault? Why did he not produce a stronger proof? Being an apparition of Allah, he could easily do that.
Even his master does not provide a proof of his existence, what to talk of a servant?
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"Baháʼu'lláh stated that he was a messenger of God, and he used the term Manifestation of God to define the concept of an intermediary between humanity and God.[57] In the Baháʼí writings, the Manifestations of God are a series of interrelated individuals who speak with a divine voice and who reflect the attributes of the divine into the human world for the progress and advancement of human morals and civilization.[57][58] The Manifestations of God, as explained by Baháʼu'lláh, are not incarnations of God; they reveal God's attributes, not God's essence.[57][59]"
On 9 May 1892, Baháʼu'lláh contracted a slight fever which grew steadily over the following days, abated, and then finally resulted in his death on 29 May 1892 (Dhu'l Qa'dah 2, 1309 AH).
Phew! So God's essence can't get a fever and slump over dead, but is that one of God's attributes? Well, it is apparently God's attribute to make people feel like they are waiting or on hold, because now its 1000 years or so counting down until another word from God comes, maybe because long distance calls have to travel a long distance through space, but then why hang up so soon? It almost seems like God doesn't like talking to us.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
The Time of the End and the End of the World is in reference to what some Christians believe.
In the Bible, the correct translation is the end of an age, not the end of the world.
When the Bab appeared, that signaled the end of a the prophetic age, and a new age began, the age of fulfillment, the age in which the Kingdom of God will be built on earth as it is in heaven.
Christians thought Jesus was the end of the Prophetic age, even though he didn't say that. Muslims thought Muhammed was the end of the Prophetic age (which the Qur'an seemed to say according to their interpretations, the Qur'an which is supposed to be the authentic words of God according to the Bahai), but now Baha'u'llah is the end of the Prophetic Age. Why? Because he said so I guess.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
No. Bahaollah said he was more than a messenger, he was the sender of prophets and messengers.
I asked you when? Why are you using a terminology which you know is wrong?