Not really interested because i don't see how that would be useful,as I said before we understand the contents without having to learn arabic.
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Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad
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Not really interested because i don't see how that would be useful,as I said before we understand the contents without having to learn arabic.
paarsurrey
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Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad
"Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word "say." "
Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @Muffled in post #97 in this thread . G-d tells Muhammad with the word "say" and or "قُلۡ" in Arabic original language and I have quoted many such verses in my previous posts .
Yet there are other styles (many of them) that depict that the Converse is direct from G-d with Muhammad. Since I daily read some portion of Quran(1/120) very early in the morning, so I will be quoting as I observe them while I read Quran. The words "اَلَمۡ تَرَ" or "Dost thou" is another style of direct address to Muhammad by G-d. And "یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ" or "O thou Prophet" is yet another one:
[33:63]سُنَّۃَ اللّٰہِ فِی الَّذِیۡنَ خَلَوۡا مِنۡ قَبۡلُ ۚ وَ لَنۡ تَجِدَ لِسُنَّۃِ اللّٰہِ تَبۡدِیۡلًا ﴿۶۳﴾
Such has been the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away before, and thou wilt never find a change in the way of Allah.
[33:64]یَسۡـَٔلُکَ النَّاسُ عَنِ السَّاعَۃِ ؕ قُلۡ اِنَّمَا عِلۡمُہَا عِنۡدَ اللّٰہِ ؕ وَ مَا یُدۡرِیۡکَ لَعَلَّ السَّاعَۃَ تَکُوۡنُ قَرِیۡبًا ﴿۶۴﴾
Men ask thee concerning the Hour. Say, ‘The knowledge of it is with Allah alone.’ And what will make thee know that the Hour may be nigh?
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 33: Al-Ahzab
Right, please?
For the context of the above verses , please, access the above link.
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"Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word "say." "
Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @Muffled in post #97 in this thread . G-d tells Muhammad with the word "say" and or "قُلۡ" in Arabic original language and I have quoted many such verses in my previous posts .
Yet there are other styles (many of them) that depict that the Converse is direct from G-d with Muhammad. Since I daily read some portion of Quran(1/120) very early in the morning, so I will be quoting as I observe them while I read Quran. The words "اَلَمۡ تَرَ" or "Dost thou" is another style of direct address to Muhammad by G-d. And "یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ" or "O thou Prophet" is yet another one:
[33:63]سُنَّۃَ اللّٰہِ فِی الَّذِیۡنَ خَلَوۡا مِنۡ قَبۡلُ ۚ وَ لَنۡ تَجِدَ لِسُنَّۃِ اللّٰہِ تَبۡدِیۡلًا ﴿۶۳﴾
Such has been the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away before, and thou wilt never find a change in the way of Allah.
[33:64]یَسۡـَٔلُکَ النَّاسُ عَنِ السَّاعَۃِ ؕ قُلۡ اِنَّمَا عِلۡمُہَا عِنۡدَ اللّٰہِ ؕ وَ مَا یُدۡرِیۡکَ لَعَلَّ السَّاعَۃَ تَکُوۡنُ قَرِیۡبًا ﴿۶۴﴾
Men ask thee concerning the Hour. Say, ‘The knowledge of it is with Allah alone.’ And what will make thee know that the Hour may be nigh?
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 33: Al-Ahzab
Right, please?
For the context of the above verses , please, access the above link.
- Is there any such verse in the Torah of the Judaism where G-d has directly addressed Moses, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
- Is there any such verse in the Bible of the Christianity where G-d (not Jesus, as Jesus was never god or son of god) has directly addressed Jesus, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
- Is there any such verse in Kitab-i-Iqan by Bahaullah (where G-d has directly spoken to Bahaullah, Bahaullah was never a god), there cannot be any verse as G-d did not speak to Bahaullah directly? If there is any, please quote it here. Right, please?
- Kitab-i-Iqan was written by Bahaullah in 1862 (not revealed by G-d ) and the Covenant was taken by Bahaullah (without any direct Converse/Commandment of G-d, as I understand) in 1863. Therefore, if there had been any direct Converse from G-d Bahaullah would have mentioned it in Kitab-i-Iqan. In the Pre-Covenant period, Kitab-i-Iqan is the only core book of Bahaullah. Right,please?
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- I observe that Quran right from its start to its end is a direct Converse and in a sense a continuous dialogue between G-d and Muhammad providing live guidance, and through Muhammad to his companions, to the other people of his time and the world at large and for all times to come to all humanity. Right, please?
- "یٰۤاَیُّہَا الرَّسُوۡلُ " translated in English with the words "O Messenger" is another style, please refer my post #243 .
- "وَ لَوۡ تَرٰۤی "/ "If only thou couldst see" as mentioned in post #255.
- Another mode of direct Converse is direct commandment as in the verse [32:31] "فَاَعۡرِضۡ" , "وَ انۡتَظِرۡ" So turn away from them, and wait #261.
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
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icehorse said: ↑
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan, astrophysicist
Friend, it has never gone under the grill of Scientific Method, and never a part of any Science textbook.Right, please?
It is just a rhetoric of Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism people. Right, please?
Atheism itself is a tall/"extraordinary claim" and needs an "extraordinary evidence", yet they have never thought of providing them, rather they hide behind such rhetoric that have nothing to do with Science, or some lame excuses. Right, please?
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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan, astrophysicist
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
Friend, it has never gone under the grill of Scientific Method, and never a part of any Science textbook.Right, please?
It is just a rhetoric of Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism people. Right, please?
Atheism itself is a tall/"extraordinary claim" and needs an "extraordinary evidence", yet they have never thought of providing them, rather they hide behind such rhetoric that have nothing to do with Science, or some lame excuses. Right, please?
Regards
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For me none,it's no easy thing to leave Islam once your in though.
I think you are confused what atheism is.
I'm afraid you're wrong on several counts:
- The quote is a way of describing the scientific method. It is a summary about how much of the process of science works. For example, about 100 years ago Einstein made some extraordinary claims. They were so extraordinary that for the last 100 years scientists have been working on ways to find evidence to either prove or disprove his claims. This is not rhetoric, it is the essence of science.
- Atheists believe that god does not exist. Would it be fair to say that you believe that purple unicorns with electric hooves do not exist? Do you think it's your responsibility to prove that such unicorns do not exist?
paarsurrey
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Now the thread is in the General Religious Debates forum. One may like to revisit one's post, please. Enlighten us please with one's thoughts, if one has any. Right, please?
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paarsurrey
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paarsurrey said: ↑
Science and Religions are complementary, one deals the physical, material and temporal aspects and the other deals the ethical,moral and spiritual aspects of human life. Both are needed by the humanity. Right, please?
Isn't that which has been mentioned above a good connection, please?
Regards
Science and Religions are complementary, one deals the physical, material and temporal aspects and the other deals the ethical,moral and spiritual aspects of human life. Both are needed by the humanity. Right, please?
"Science and Religions are complementary"
Isn't that which has been mentioned above a good connection, please?
Regards
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
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Has one read Torah and the Gospels if one is a search/research minded human like a man of science is supposed to be, please?
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Wandering Monk
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I have read them all, Torah, Gospels, Quran and also Greek Mythology.
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey said: ↑
"Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help. Guide us in the right path." Quran 1:5-6 by G-d.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 1: Al-Fatihah
Does one agree with the above? Or one doesn't?
Regards
"Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help. Guide us in the right path." Quran 1:5-6 by G-d.
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 1: Al-Fatihah
Does one agree with the above? Or one doesn't?
So, with one present line of thinking, did one get to the right path, please?
Regards
paarsurrey
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Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad
"Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word "say." "
Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @Muffled in post #97 in this thread . G-d tells Muhammad with the word "say" and or "قُلۡ" in Arabic original language and I have quoted many such verses in my previous posts .
Yet there are other styles (many of them) that depict that the Converse is direct from G-d with Muhammad. Since I daily read some portion of Quran(1/120) very early in the morning, so I will be quoting as I observe them while I read Quran. The words "اَلَمۡ تَرَ" or "Dost thou" is another style of direct address to Muhammad by G-d. And "یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ" or "O thou Prophet" is yet another one:
[34:4]وَ قَالَ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا لَا تَاۡتِیۡنَا السَّاعَۃُ ؕ قُلۡ بَلٰی وَ رَبِّیۡ لَتَاۡتِیَنَّکُمۡ ۙ عٰلِمِ الۡغَیۡبِ ۚ لَا یَعۡزُبُ عَنۡہُ مِثۡقَالُ ذَرَّۃٍ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ لَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ وَ لَاۤ اَصۡغَرُ مِنۡ ذٰلِکَ وَ لَاۤ اَکۡبَرُ اِلَّا فِیۡ کِتٰبٍ مُّبِیۡنٍ ٭ۙ﴿۴﴾
And those who disbelieve say, ‘The Hour will never come upon us.’ Say, ‘Yea, by my Lord Who knows the unseen, it will surely come upon you! Not an atom’s weight in the heavens or in the earth or any thing less than that or greater escapes Him, but all is recorded in a perspicuous Book,
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 34: Saba
Right, please?
For the context of the above verses , please, access the above link.
____________
"Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word "say." "
Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @Muffled in post #97 in this thread . G-d tells Muhammad with the word "say" and or "قُلۡ" in Arabic original language and I have quoted many such verses in my previous posts .
Yet there are other styles (many of them) that depict that the Converse is direct from G-d with Muhammad. Since I daily read some portion of Quran(1/120) very early in the morning, so I will be quoting as I observe them while I read Quran. The words "اَلَمۡ تَرَ" or "Dost thou" is another style of direct address to Muhammad by G-d. And "یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ" or "O thou Prophet" is yet another one:
[34:4]وَ قَالَ الَّذِیۡنَ کَفَرُوۡا لَا تَاۡتِیۡنَا السَّاعَۃُ ؕ قُلۡ بَلٰی وَ رَبِّیۡ لَتَاۡتِیَنَّکُمۡ ۙ عٰلِمِ الۡغَیۡبِ ۚ لَا یَعۡزُبُ عَنۡہُ مِثۡقَالُ ذَرَّۃٍ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ لَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ وَ لَاۤ اَصۡغَرُ مِنۡ ذٰلِکَ وَ لَاۤ اَکۡبَرُ اِلَّا فِیۡ کِتٰبٍ مُّبِیۡنٍ ٭ۙ﴿۴﴾
And those who disbelieve say, ‘The Hour will never come upon us.’ Say, ‘Yea, by my Lord Who knows the unseen, it will surely come upon you! Not an atom’s weight in the heavens or in the earth or any thing less than that or greater escapes Him, but all is recorded in a perspicuous Book,
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 34: Saba
Right, please?
For the context of the above verses , please, access the above link.
- Is there any such verse in the Torah of the Judaism where G-d has directly addressed Moses, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
- Is there any such verse in the Bible of the Christianity where G-d (not Jesus, as Jesus was never god or son of god) has directly addressed Jesus, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
- Is there any such verse in Kitab-i-Iqan by Bahaullah (where G-d has directly spoken to Bahaullah, Bahaullah was never a god), there cannot be any verse as G-d did not speak to Bahaullah directly? If there is any, please quote it here. Right, please?
- Kitab-i-Iqan was written by Bahaullah in 1862 (not revealed by G-d ) and the Covenant was taken by Bahaullah (without any direct Converse/Commandment of G-d, as I understand) in 1863. Therefore, if there had been any direct Converse from G-d Bahaullah would have mentioned it in Kitab-i-Iqan. In the Pre-Covenant period, Kitab-i-Iqan is the only core book of Bahaullah. Right,please?
____________
- I observe that Quran right from its start to its end is a direct Converse and in a sense a continuous dialogue between G-d and Muhammad providing live guidance, and through Muhammad to his companions, to the other people of his time and the world at large and for all times to come to all humanity. Right, please?
- "یٰۤاَیُّہَا الرَّسُوۡلُ " translated in English with the words "O Messenger" is another style, please refer my post #243 .
- "وَ لَوۡ تَرٰۤی "/ "If only thou couldst see" as mentioned in post #255.
- Another mode of direct Converse is direct commandment as in the verse [32:31] "فَاَعۡرِضۡ" , "وَ انۡتَظِرۡ" So turn away from them, and wait #261.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
There is an additional point in my above post #334 in this thread that is to be carefully noted by the friends.
Some people who have not read Quran, not to speak of the original Arabic text, not even from a translation of it, carefully; they have a notion that Quran discourages questions.
Please observe that there was a question asked by the disbelievers and well answered by G-d in the above verse, please.
And there a lot many more questions asked by the disbelievers and answered by G-d in Quran.
Kindly get corrected in this connection. Right, please?
Regards
paarsurrey
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Friend @Wandering Monk !
Well Greek Mythology might be closer to Agnosticism? Am I right, please?
Regards
paarsurrey
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Friend !
Is there anything solid in Atheism, please? I imagine, it starts with confusion and ends in confusion, and there is nothing in between except confusion. Am I right, please?
Regards
Wrong please,it's starts with questions to proselytizing religions that make amazing claims,when called upon to produce amazing evidence from these religions zero is produced that seems pretty solid to me.
I got the path I'm on, and it feels right to me. I don't want to change it for another.
paarsurrey
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OK, be happy with it,please. Won't one like to share one's path "Religion:None, a humanist who doesn't even worship humans" that one got on, please?
I don't get it exactly. Will one, please?
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