Quran is free of errors

[TashaN]

Ok, ever-reasonable TashaN, can you provide us with the comments of Muslims who think that these so-called "scientific miracles" in the Qur'an are a load of horse droppings and that perhaps their fellow Muslims who do believe in this rubbish have been hitting their heads a bit too hard against the ground... several times a day... over a long period of time?

Surely there are one or two Muslims who think this is all ridiculous and realize that even the term, "scientific miracles" is a contradiction. Why is it even a big deal that the Qur'an contains errors or contradictions? Oh, right. It's supposed to be the word of someone named "god". Gotcha.

I don't care what this thread say and i'm not obliged to provide anything to you because i won't waste my time arguing with people like you. I need you just to stop your generalizations and your pathetic attempts to hijack Islam and Muslims.

 

[themadhair]

I don't care what this thread say and i'm not obliged to provide anything to you because i won't waste my time arguing with people like you. I need you just to stop your generalizations and your pathetic attempts to hijack Islam and Muslims.

You do realise that you are completely playing up to the stereotype you accused YmirGF of perpetrating?

 

[YmirGF]

I don't care what this thread say and i'm not obliged to provide anything to you because i won't waste my time arguing with people like you.

Apparently I have misjudged you. I could have sworn you were a somewhat reasonable Muslim. Oh well, we all make mistakes.

I need you just to stop your generalizations and your pathetic attempts to hijack Islam and Muslims.

You need? Isn't that a bit of a strange way to phrase your point. I am somehow hijacking Islam? That is a novel assertion. While at the same time you have no problem with Muslims hijacking Islam and making Muslims look like imbeciles? As Jayhawker Soule would say, "That is most instructive."

 

[YmirGF]

You do realise that you are completely playing up to the stereotype you accused YmirGF of perpetrating?

Who would have thought, eh?

 

[TashaN]

You need? Isn't that a bit of a strange way to phrase your point. I am somehow hijacking Islam? That is a novel assertion. While at the same time you have no problem with Muslims hijacking Islam and making Muslims look like imbeciles? As Jayhawker Soule would say, "That is most instructive."

Let Muslims do whatever they want with their religion, that's not your business. Do you understand now why i called your attempts pathetic? because you think you understand things better than anyone here, all thanks to your personal so called *visions*.

 

[YmirGF]

Let Muslims do whatever they want with their religion, that's not your business.

I see. Well, sadly, I have issues with people broadcasting ignorance in the name of wisdom. That being the case, I suppose I'll always talk against Islam till my dying breath.

Do you understand now why i called your attempts pathetic?

It is quite likely because you can't think of anything particularly intelligent to say. Not to worry, as it is not unexpected.

because you think you understand things better than anyone here, all thanks to your personal so called *visions*.

I make no apologies, the one formerly known as "The_Truth". Unlike Muslims and Islam, for the most part, I make sense.

 

[Sahar]

Unlike Muslims and Islam, for the most part, I make sense.

Sure thing!

because you think you understand things better than anyone here, all thanks to your personal so called *visions*.

LOL!!

 

[YmirGF]

Sure thing!

Well, I don't expect Muslims to agree. Now that would be silly.

LOL!!

Yeah, I thought it was a funny comment too. Poor TashaN, eh?

 

[TashaN]

I make no apologies, the one formerly known as "The_Truth". Unlike Muslims and Islam, for the most part, I make sense.

Awesome! YmirGF, the one formerly known as "The_Ultimate_Visioner". Yes, you just proved my point. You think you make sense more than Islam and more than ALL Muslims. Well done. May your vision enlighten us all, amen. :spit:

 

[darkendless]

Awesome! YmirGF, the one formerly known as "The_Ultimate_Visioner". Yes, you just proved my point. You think you make sense more than Islam and more than ALL Muslims. Well done. May your vision enlighten us all, amen. :spit:

If you make the claim that humans are made out of clay i'd have to agree with YmirGF on this one.

A question for you guys:

How are we meant to know which parts of the Quran and real, and which are metaphorical?

 

[TashaN]

If you make the claim that humans are made out of clay i'd have to agree with YmirGF on this one.

Why is that? Science still couldn't prove how human beings came to existence. We are still learning so why to dismiss a possibility?

A question for you guys:

How are we meant to know which parts of the Quran and real, and which are metaphorical?

In most of the verses it's easy to figure it out, but not so in some verses.

 

[gnostic]

How are we meant to know which parts of the Quran and real, and which are metaphorical?

I supposed a good rule that something is metaphorical is anything that defy reality, logic and the law of nature. Anything that exaggerate and distort reality, especially with the supernaturals.

Examples of these, are like humans created out of clay; a king understand and talk to birds and ants; a talking serpent; a flood that covered the entire earth, etc. The existence of spiritual beings such angels, demons and djinns.

Can any of the above be even remotely possible in this world?

Perhaps such things are possible in dreams, fantasy, allegory, parables, fables, fairytale, folklore and myths. Metaphors and motifs are used as symbolic significances, and symbolism don't always fit in the real world or logics, and absolutely useless in science.

 

[darkendless]

Why is that? Science still couldn't prove how human beings came to existence. We are still learning so why to dismiss a possibility?



In most of the verses it's easy to figure it out, but not so in some verses.

Clay is an unreasonable material. Read the last 20 pages of this thread

 

[themadhair]

Science still couldn't prove how human beings came to existence.

Is that some scientific ignorance I see?

We are still learning so why to dismiss a possibility?

This little thing called evidence. You see there are these folks called ‘chemists’ who study the properties of materials, compounds and elements. These chemists can publish their findings through ‘peer review’ so that other chemists can check their results. In doing this the level of knowledge regarding ‘chemistry’ (that is the name given to the study of materials and their reaction to each other) is always increasing.

It may surprise you TashaN, but the folks in the 7th century didn’t have this knowledge (through no fault of their to be fair). Lacking this knowledge they often made claims that don’t hold up to reality. The claim that humans were made from clay is one such claim. Today, thanks to decades of work by thousands of chemists and other scientists, we have sufficient knowledge to see why humans coming from clay contradicts reality.

I have one question – when are you going to stop playing up to the stereotype you took so much offence to earlier?

 

[YmirGF]

Awesome! YmirGF, the one formerly known as "The_Ultimate_Visioner".

Given that I have never claimed this moniker or ever stated that such is the case makes this appellation a bit hollow, dear TashaN.

Yes, you just proved my point. You think you make sense more than Islam and more than ALL Muslims. Well done. May your vision enlighten us all, amen. :spit:

It sounds like you are jealous because you have no personal vision of your own and have to settle on the vision of others. Pity, really.

 

[TashaN]

I supposed a good rule that something is metaphorical is anything that defy reality, logic and the law of nature. Anything that exaggerate and distort reality, especially with the supernaturals.

Examples of these, are like humans created out of clay; a king understand and talk to birds and ants; a talking serpent; a flood that covered the entire earth, etc. The existence of spiritual beings such angels, demons and djinns.

Can any of the above be even remotely possible in this world?

Perhaps such things are possible in dreams, fantasy, allegory, parables, fables, fairytale, folklore and myths. Metaphors and motifs are used as symbolic significances, and symbolism don't always fit in the real world or logics, and absolutely useless in science.

Are you of the folks who dismiss anything which human beings couldn't prove yet?

Human beings are not perfect and they are still learning everyday.

Clay is an unreasonable material. Read the last 20 pages of this thread

Ohhh too much. Can you please put it in one sentence?

Given that I have never claimed this moniker or ever stated that such is the case makes this appellation a bit hollow, dear TashaN.

I just imagined if you have chosen one, that would be it.

It sounds like you are jealous because you have no personal vision of your own and have to settle on the vision of others. Pity, really.

:biglaugh:

 

[themadhair]

Are you of the folks who dismiss anything which human beings couldn't prove yet?

Are you one of those folks who believes ridiculous things despite the evidence to the contrary?

Human beings are not perfect and they are still learning everyday.

Based on this thread that would be everyone except the koranic scientists who don’t seem to have learned much in the last 1,400 years.

Ohhh too much. Can you please put it in one sentence?

Don’t quote have enough learning desire to read the thread then? Never would have guessed that one.

 

[Father Heathen]

Let Muslims do whatever they want with their religion, that's not your business.

You mean like stone a 13 year old rape victim to death for "adultery", for example? When human rights are violated, it is the modern, civilized world's business.

 

[Sahar]

It sounds like you are jealous because you have no personal vision of your own and have to settle on the vision of others. Pity, really.

:biglaugh:

Ahahaha, I swear, Faisal, this is one of the funniest things I have read here!! OMG!!
LOL!!

Speaking about being reasonable...!!!

 

[gnostic]

Human beings are not perfect and they are still learning everyday.

Yes, I'd certainly agree with that.

Are you of the folks who dismiss anything which human beings couldn't prove yet?

It has been proven that humans don't understand the language of birds or ants.

You can certainly train birds, like parrots and cockatoo, to mimic some words, and humans can mimic some bird calls, but as far as human understanding the languages of birds, it has been proven they can't. Mimic-ing is one thing, but it doesn't mean that either species actually "understand" each other language.

I am seriously doubtful and skeptical of being able to communicate with ants. And evidences, today, support this.

You can train animals for certain tasks, but understanding the languages of animals go beyond this, and it has not been proven.

The only places where you see humans understanding the languages of animals are in ancient mythical and religious legends from the Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece, Celtic Europe, Scandinavia and Germany, India, China, etc. There are plenty of mythical literature with animals talking to humans, and humans talking back.

And often these myths about understanding the languages of animals are associated with divination. Tiresias, the Greek seer, and some others like him, could understand animals, like snakes, so they could foretell the future or fates of people.

Do Islam support such divination?

Are you telling me that Abrahamic religions are no different from these religions and myths?