Quran is free of errors

[darkendless]

Ohhh too much. Can you please put it in one sentence?

Ok, ill give it a go. This is from a mechanics perspective only, i'm awful at biology, you may have to ask someone else to explain the biology aspects. This may be a few sentences, but ill try to break it down,

In terms of mechanics, clay is not strong enough, not durable enough, and not workable enough. Wet clay is soft, dry clay is brittle, and our bones are neither. If we were made of a composite (clay + something else), we would retain properties of clay. However, we do not.

If clay was broken down to individual elements, its the only way we could be composed of clay. However, at an atomic level, we are composed of elements and not clay because clay is a molecule, not an element.

If we are made of clay, "we were formed using clay," but are no longer clay. The only way would be Allah supplying significant energy to break clay molecules and to rebuild us with them. I have no problem with anyone believing that, but i do think it is stretching the words of the verse a little too far.

 

[Ghostaka]

Dear people,

Are you forgetting that Allah is able to do all things? Are you somehow inferring that God would not be able to make people out of whatever He wished because we humans 'think' it is not possible and cannot 'prove' it?

We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allāh is over all things competent?

Do you not know that to Allāh belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and [that] you have not besides Allāh any protector or any helper? {The Holy Qur'an 2: 106-107}

Angels are made from light, and Satan is made of fire. How can you disprove something that you do not know about? We believe it because Allah tells us to do so; (He is the All Knower and All Seer) and therefore we do not need to prove it to ourselves (as if we could with such limited knowledge). You cannot be called a Muslim if you have doubt about Allah or Islam.

The verse of the Throne:

Allāh – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursī [throne] extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. {The Holy Qur'an 2: 255}

Peace be upon you.
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Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

 

[darkendless]

Dear people,

Are you forgetting that Allah is able to do all things. Are you somehow inferring that God would not be able to make people out of whatever He wished because we humans 'think' it is not possible and cannot 'prove' it?

We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth [one] better than it or similar to it. Do you not know that Allāh is over all things competent?

Do you not know that to Allāh belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and [that] you have not besides Allāh any protector or any helper? {The Holy Qur'an 2: 106-107}

Angels are made from light, and Satan is made of fire. How can you disprove something that you do not know about? We believe it because Allah tells us to do so; (He is the All Knower and All Seer) and therefore we do not need to prove it to ourselves (as if we could with such limited knowledge). You cannot be called a Muslim if you have doubt about Allah or Islam.

The verse of the Throne:

Allāh – there is no deity except Him, the Ever-Living, the Sustainer of [all] existence. Neither drowsiness overtakes Him nor sleep. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission? He knows what is [presently] before them and what will be after them, and they encompass not a thing of His knowledge except for what He wills. His Kursī [throne] extends over the heavens and the earth, and their preservation tires Him not. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. {The Holy Qur'an 2: 255}

Peace be upon you.
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Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Question:

I think you'd agree that we're not made of clay molecules, to believe so is unreasonable as i've tried to explain over pages upon pages. As a result, Allah (assuming that yes he could) would have to break down the molecules using a lot of energy to break the bonds to get the elements that comprise us by themselves.

However, why would he do it? If he could make us out of anything, why would he break down clay and start again. Why not just build us from scratch? Seems a little weird to me.

What you're forgetting though sir is not all of us believe your book to be truthful. I believe what i can see, what i can explain, and what i can demonstrate. With the Quran, you can do neither. The problem with religious texts is you cannot convince a non-believer of anything. Its take it or leave it. Being able to demonstrate your points goes a long weay.

 

[gnostic]

Are you forgetting that Allah is able to do all things? Are you somehow inferring that God would not be able to make people out of whatever He wished because we humans 'think' it is not possible and cannot 'prove' it?

If Allah can do anything, then why make human body out of clay. Clay is not suitable, and inorganic materials, our body is organic (muscles, organs (hearts, tissues, blood, etc, even our bones are organic), and there are no living cells in clay.

Apart from some literalistic creationists, many Christians now believe that the story of Adam and Eve is parable, not historical or archaeological fact, because science have proven modern humans have existed long before the 1st human from the Abrahamic theology - Adam.

 

[Ghostaka]

I think you'd agree that we're not made of clay molecules, to believe so is unreasonable as i've tried to explain over pages upon pages. As a result, Allah (assuming that yes he could) would have to break down the molecules using a lot of energy to break the bonds to get the elements that comprise us by themselves.

He would 'have' to...? My friend, are you trying to set boundaries to Allah's Strength? Who's being unreasonable here?

However, why would he do it? If he could make us out of anything, why would he break down clay and start again. Why not just build us from scratch? Seems a little weird to me.

Darkendless, why are you trying to reason with God's motives? He does what He Wills.

What you're forgetting though sir is not all of us believe your book to be truthful. I believe what i can see, what i can explain, and what i can demonstrate. With the Quran, you can do neither.

1. Alif, Lām, Meem.

2. This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allāh –

3. Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

4. And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

5. Those are upon

guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.​

​

{The Holy Qur'an Surah 2}

The problem with religious texts is you cannot convince a non-believer of anything. Its take it or leave it. Being able to demonstrate your points goes a long weay.

You are speaking for yourself here right?

Indeed, Allāh is not timid to present an example – that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did Allāh intend by this as an example?" He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient, {The Holy Qur'an 2: 26}

Are you one of the 'defiantly disobedient'?

Peace be upon you.
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28. How can you disbelieve in Allāh when you were lifeless and He brought you to life; then He will cause you to die, then He will bring you [back] to life, and then to Him you will be returned.

29. It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth. Then He directed Himself to the heaven, [His being above all creation], and made them seven heavens, and He is Knowing of all things.

{The Holy Qur'an Surah 2}​

 

[darkendless]

He would 'have' to...? My friend, are you trying to set boundaries to Allah's Strength? Who's being unreasonable here?

Darkendless, why are you trying to reason with God's motives? He does what He Wills.



1. Alif, Lām, Meem.

2. This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allāh –

3. Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,

4. And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].

5. Those are upon

guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.​

​

{The Holy Qur'an Surah 2}

You are speaking for yourself here right?


Are you one of the 'defiantly disobedient'?

Peace be upon you.

{The Holy Qur'an Surah 2}​

No, i'm saying he can do what he wants, but im questioning why? I'm being logical, i'm not accepting anything i cannot understand through logical progression. There's nothing logical about making man out of clay.

God's motives? Why does God need motives? Why does God have or need human characteristics?

I'm speaking generally. If you got 100 people together and preached to them, not all of them would be like oh great, i love this Mohammed fella would they? Some people actively reject things they cannot see before them. Nothing about God displays the same evidence that science, or archeology does, because God cannot be argued with someone who is determined to defend him.

Im defiant because i'm not programmed. I do not need to believe. No one does.​

 

[Ghostaka]

If Allah can do anything, then why make human body out of clay. Clay is not suitable, and inorganic materials, our body is organic (muscles, organs (hearts, tissues, blood, etc, even our bones are organic), and there are no living cells in clay.

Have you created anything lately? How can you assume to know what is suitable or not? Allah is the All-Knower not you or I.

Apart from some literalistic creationists, many Christians now believe that the story of Adam and Eve is parable, not historical or archaeological fact, because science have proven modern humans have existed long before the 1st human from the Abrahamic theology - Adam.

And how have 'they' proven so? What DNA of Adam is there to compare with? Your comment does not relate to what we are talking about.

Peace be upon you.

 

[Ghostaka]

No, i'm saying he can do what he wants, but im questioning why? I'm being logical, i'm not accepting anything i cannot understand through logical progression. There's nothing logical about making man out of clay.

To you maybe. Remember, our logic (humans) cannot apply to Allah. Our knowledge is the little He has given us.

God's motives? Why does God need motives? Why does God have or need human characteristics?

Trying to spin it on me lol? My friend, sorry if my comment caused you to misunderstand. My comment was referring to your questioning of why Allah would do something. God is above his creation, absolutely. Perhaps replacing 'motives' with Will is better. NB Human's have will as well don't they?

Some people actively reject things they cannot see before them. Nothing about God displays the same evidence that science, or archeology does, because God cannot be argued with someone who is determined to defend him.

When people could not see Jupiter because telescopes had not been invented/used, did Jupiter not exist?

Im defiant because i'm not programmed. I do not need to believe. No one does.

People believe at the end of the day, by choice. You don't have to if you don't want to. If my parents are Muslims, that by no means makes me a Muslim. But will I do when the Day of Judgment arrives? 'I'm not programmed..' is not an excuse.

Peace be upon you.

 

[gnostic]

And how have 'they' proven so? What DNA of Adam is there to compare with?

And how do you suppose that we take DNA from what is a mythical figure (ie. Adam)?

Unless you can provide skeleton or fossil remains of Adam, we can't do DNA period. Do Adam's remains would have a tomb or grave with HIS NAME written on it?

Your comment does not relate to what we are talking about.

We do however have skeletal remains of modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens). And these DNA showed that they don't have clay molecules. They also are proof that human existed long before the supposed Adam and Eve.

How do you explain these skeletal remains and fossils, and their age?

Many of which exist in Africa, Europe and Asia in certain period of time. Period of time as being tens of thousands of years.

As recent as 1997, in Ethiopia, they have skulls of 3 people (2 adults and a child), which are the oldest yet found of the modern human (Homo sapiens sapiens) - and it has been dated to 160,000 years, a period of the glacial periods (Ice Ages), when people lived as hunters and gathers, like nomads.

And then you can compare DNA the primeval skeletal remains with human skeletons of today, and you will find these prehistorical remains are human, with human DNA, with no clay molecules.

So my comments are related.

It is you and your belief, and your scripture that have no idea on what's related and what's not. And I don't expect you to understand what happens in science, because the Abrahamic theists have all the common defects in understanding science, especially when it (science) goes against their "holy" scriptures and doctrines. All theists seemed to lose their abilities to use logic and evidences, because they prefer faith over science.

 

[Ghostaka]

And how do you suppose that we take DNA from what is a mythical figure (ie. Adam)?

Unless you can provide skeleton or fossil remains of Adam, we can't do DNA period. Do Adam's remains would have a tomb or grave with HIS NAME written on it?

This is my point. Of course. This is why you cannot prove that humans lived before Adam (PBUH).

We do however have skeletal remains of modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens). And these DNA showed that they don't have clay molecules. They also are proof that human existed long before the supposed Adam and Eve.

What are these proofs if you yourself agree that there is no DNA (belonging to Adam [PBUH]) to compare to so as to prove that Adam (PBUH) was not the first human to be created?

How do you explain these skeletal remains and fossils, and their age?

Many of which exist in Africa, Europe and Asia in certain period of time. Period of time as being tens of thousands of years.

When do you think Adam (PBUH) died, 1400 years ago?

So my comments are related.

I do not think so. You forgot what I mentioned about Allah's Might; being able to do anything He Wills. Therefore your being stumped at why/how Allah made Adam (PBUH) out of clay cannot be used to discredit Islam/The Holy Qur'an.

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in ‹āghūt and believes in Allāh has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allāh is Hearing and Knowing. {The Holy Qur'an 2: 256}

All theists seemed to lose their abilities to use logic and evidences, because they prefer faith over science.

Are we not using logic and evidences? Is the Holy Qur'an not an evidence? Instead your claim can applied to those who prefer science over religion. Don't you realize that Islam/Christianity/Judaism and science are related? Everything we debate about religion and science you seem to forget; just to try and demean my comments.

Peace be upon you.
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*Gnostic, I sent you a followup PM to try and address your confusion

 

[gnostic]

When do you think Adam (PBUH) died, 1400 years ago?

Adam? No. *snort*

This would be about the time of Muhammad's death, not the fictional Adam.

Are we talking about Muhamamd or Adam?

And why 1400 years ago?

According to the calculation of the Bible, the Adam was created between 5700 to 5900 years ago (so roughly 3700-3900 BCE).

This is my point. Of course. This is why you cannot prove that humans lived before Adam (PBUH).

There are many scientific evidences - fossils and skeletal remains that human existed more than 10,000 years ago.

If Adam lived around 5700-5900 years ago, then why are there archaeological evidences that support that Jericho was a small town (or perhaps precisely a village) about 10,000 years ago (8000 BCE). And there are even evidences that dated settlements in Jericho (not as a town) as back as 12,000 years ago (10,000 BCE).

Humans, I mean real human (Homo sapiens sapiens) have exist far longer than that, 30,000 years ago.

I do not think so. You forgot what I mentioned about Allah's Might; being able to do anything He Wills. Therefore your being stumped at why/how Allah made Adam (PBUH) out of clay cannot be used to discredit Islam/The Holy Qur'an.

You're the one who believe in Allah's might, ghostaka, not me.

There are no evidences to support any god created human out of clay. Until you can prove with evidences, then you have nothing more than the Qur'an, and your faith in your belief. But that don't amount to evidence, let alone scientific evidences.

 

[darkendless]

I do not think so. You forgot what I mentioned about Allah's Might; being able to do anything He Wills. Therefore your being stumped at why/how Allah made Adam (PBUH) out of clay cannot be used to discredit Islam/The Holy Qur'an.

Perhaps this is why creationists and most theists are so hard to reason with. They're so concerned with what might be the answer, that they're so oblivious of the actual answer.

Why do we care what Allah might be able to do. All we know is what we can see and what we can reasonably predict. To suggest Allah did something without any evidence or anything to suggest he did something other than your "convictions" isn't really convincing at all is it?

 

[TashaN]

It has been proven that humans don't understand the language of birds or ants.

Unless they did so through a miracle by the permission of God, just like splitting the sea by Moses, etc.

Ok, ill give it a go. This is from a mechanics perspective only, i'm awful at biology, you may have to ask someone else to explain the biology aspects. This may be a few sentences, but ill try to break it down,

In terms of mechanics, clay is not strong enough, not durable enough, and not workable enough. Wet clay is soft, dry clay is brittle, and our bones are neither. If we were made of a composite (clay + something else), we would retain properties of clay. However, we do not.

If clay was broken down to individual elements, its the only way we could be composed of clay. However, at an atomic level, we are composed of elements and not clay because clay is a molecule, not an element.

If we are made of clay, "we were formed using clay," but are no longer clay. The only way would be Allah supplying significant energy to break clay molecules and to rebuild us with them. I have no problem with anyone believing that, but i do think it is stretching the words of the verse a little too far.

Any sane person wouldn't believe that until now we are just a mere clay. Although the beginning was of clay, but other things have been added and by the will of Allah, Adam was created.

I think your skeptical views about the clay story is legitimate because clay on itself can't make a perfect being like Adam.

That's why in the Quran Allah made it clear that the clay was nothing but the raw material.

[7] He Who has made everything which He has created Most Good: He began the creation of man with (nothing more than) clay,

This is how it started...

[8] And made his progeny from a quintessence of the nature of a fluid despised:

He gave him the ability to re-produce through the semen ...

[9] But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him something of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and feeling (and understanding): little thanks do ye give! (Quran 32:7-9)

And in this verse Allah explain further how Adam been perfected. After using that clay, Allah made Adam as a human being, and then put in him the spirit.

Here we have a separation between the materialists who don't believe in miracles, and in God's ability to create things from nothing and between us theists.

We believe that Allah just used clay as a material to bring Adam into being, not that clay can stand on it's own as a perfect human on it's own. Allah have created the necessary living organs for us and he put his spirit in us, but if you asked me how he did that, i'll not have an answer for that. We still don't know alot of things.

[85] They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: "The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)" (Quran 17:85)

That's why i don't see any contradiction or errors in the Quran. I might agree if some people have suggested that we still don't understand how it happened but i wouldn't agree of the notion that there is an error because such assertion assume that we already know how human beings came to existence, but the fact is, we still don't know for sure the process in details.

 

[darkendless]

Unless they did so through a miracle by the permission of God, just like splitting the sea by Moses, etc.



Any sane person wouldn't believe that until now we are just a mere clay. Although the beginning was of clay, but other things have been added and by the will of Allah, Adam was created.

I think your skeptical views about the clay story is legitimate because clay on itself can't make a perfect being like Adam.

That's why in the Quran Allah made it clear that the clay was nothing but the raw material.


That's why i don't see any contradiction or errors in the Quran. I might agree if some people have suggested that we still don't understand how it happened but i wouldn't agree of the notion that there is an error because such assertion assume that we already know how human beings came to existence, but the fact is, we still don't know for sure the process in details.

Something i find strange is why Allah needed clay at all. He had all the elements in existance, so why clay? Clay needed to be broken down. Why break something down when you don't have to?

I don't think its an error, but a lot has to be assumed to reach such a conclusion.

 

[TashaN]

Something i find strange is why Allah needed clay at all. He had all the elements in existance, so why clay? Clay needed to be broken down. Why break something down when you don't have to?

I don't think its an error, but a lot has to be assumed to reach such a conclusion.

I really don't know, but when you think of it, clay can be found easily anywhere. For example, we believe that Jinn been created from fire because fire is a simple thing which can be found anywhere, and the same with clay which Adam been created from. I think of it as a proof from Allah that he doesn't need complicated things to create us, he can grab anything near to him and made something out of it.

On the other hand, sometimes i think that Allah just said it's from clay to make it simple for humanity to understand, and it might have been out of the elements of this clay, we are not too sure about that.

 

[Fatihah]

Something i find strange is why Allah needed clay at all. He had all the elements in existance, so why clay? Clay needed to be broken down. Why break something down when you don't have to?

I don't think its an error, but a lot has to be assumed to reach such a conclusion.

Response: You see, the beauty of the qur'an is that it answers your questions once you take the chance to have an open mind when reading it. Allah does so because he guides us towards him through signs in his creation.

"Verily, in the heavens and the earth are Signs for those who believe

And in your own creation and that of all creatures which He spreads are Signs for a people who possess firm faith." (Ch.45:3,4)

"And He shows you His Signs; which, then, of the Signs of Allah will you deny?" (Ch.40:81)

Allah created man from clay as one of the many signs that indicate to us that He is the creator. When we study the human body, we can see that the elements that make up clay are within us. This message of Muhammad(pbuh) is an understanding that he could not have known unless it was revealed to him from the creator, thus being a sign that Allah is the creator of life and the universe. That is why he made us from clay and that is why when we die, our bodies return back to our original form of dirt and dust, another sign as to the creation of man and how we originated.

 

[gnostic]

I really don't know, but when you think of it, clay can be found easily anywhere. For example, we believe that Jinn been created from fire because fire is a simple thing which can be found anywhere, and the same with clay which Adam been created from. I think of it as a proof from Allah that he doesn't need complicated things to create us, he can grab anything near to him and made something out of it.

The sun has almost every single known elements in our periodic tables, and possessed the same elements that make up clay, but does that mean the sun is made out of clay?

The sun also possessed the same elements as that of human body, but do you say that the sun is made out of human bodies?

Your arguments are deeply flawed and ignorant.

Even if the clay and human body have some of the same elements, the clay is not of organic properties. Clay don't have living cells that are essential for all living matters, including the human body.

Clay are made out of different molecules than the molecules found in the human living cells. Do you understand?

The most essential molecules of the clay is silicates (SiO4, which silicon and oxygen atoms). We don't have have any molecules in our body that resemble clay molcules (silicates), and this form of clay is the most common type.

There is another form of clay, found mostly in the tropic and semi-tropic regions, which is iron and aluminum hydroxide (FeAlOH).

We (human body) have the elements that are found in clay, but not the same molecules as found in clay. There's a huge different between elements and molecules.

There need to be right mix of atoms to form clay, and atoms need to be form in such a way, to form clay molecule (crystal). And silicon in the human body is so tiny that it could not enough to form clay.

And the human body cells are carbon-based, not silicon-based (which mean no silicate). And all life-forms (not just humans), including animals and plants, and even bacteria, are carbon-based. Oxygen and hydrogen elements are also important essence, but it is carbon that make our cells "living" organism.

Silicon, iron and aluminum are not very essential, but we have trace elements in our body. And as I said, silicon are so tiny, that it don't form clay molecules. (I hoped that you understand what a trace element means?)

Until you understand the way clay molecules and the living cells of all life-forms behave, you have no absolutely no understanding in science.

 

[themadhair]

Whenever any clam regarding the world (in this case humans being made using clay) falls back on the (non-)logic of “allahcandoanythingitwants”, then you deserve to have the living **** ripped out of you.

And if you are scientifically illiterate, illogical, irrational and indoctrinated to the point that you don’t understand why using such a decree renders the claim unscientific, then you deserve to be mocked ferociously.

This will probably put me over the 4 points, but you folks on this thread are an absolute joke. Not one single Muslim in this thread has come anywhere close to resembling a rational person, and if this thread is in any way a representation of Islam then you folks are going remain left behind in the science&technology stakes.

 

[riverfox]

Whenever any clam regarding the world (in this case humans being made using clay) falls back on the (non-)logic of “allahcandoanythingitwants”, then you deserve to have the living **** ripped out of you.

And if you are scientifically illiterate, illogical, irrational and indoctrinated to the point that you don’t understand why using such a decree renders the claim unscientific, then you deserve to be mocked ferociously.

This will probably put me over the 4 points, but you folks on this thread are an absolute joke. Not one single Muslim in this thread has come anywhere close to resembling a rational person, and if this thread is in any way a representation of Islam then you folks are going remain left behind in the science&technology stakes.

Why do you think that this is an error? The elements that make up clay are within us.

BTW..Don't you think that nature made us (As an atheist)? sand, water,clay and winds with sunshine moving them here and there forming monkeys turning to human beings.
You are going remain left behind in the science&technology stakes.

 

[Ghostaka]

Whenever any clam regarding the world (in this case humans being made using clay) falls back on the (non-)logic of “allahcandoanythingitwants”, then you deserve to have the living **** ripped out of you.

This is a new low. Even for you.

And if you are scientifically illiterate, illogical, irrational and indoctrinated to the point that you don’t understand why using such a decree renders the claim unscientific, then you deserve to be mocked ferociously.

Why are you pretending not to have read anything in the last few posts just to generate a comeback?

This will probably put me over the 4 points,

And still you insist...

but you folks on this thread are an absolute joke. Not one single Muslim in this thread has come anywhere close to resembling a rational person, and if this thread is in any way a representation of Islam then you folks are going remain left behind in the science&technology stakes.

13. And present to them an example: the people of the city, when the messengers came to it –

14. When We sent to them two but they denied them, so We strengthened them with a third, and they said, "Indeed, we are messengers to you."

15. They said, "You are not but human beings like us, and the Most Merciful has not revealed a thing. You are only telling lies."

16. They said, "Our Lord knows that we are messengers to you,

17. And we are not responsible except for clear notification."

18. They said, "Indeed, we consider you a bad omen. If you do not desist, we will surely stone you, and there will surely touch you, from us, a painful punishment."

19. They said, "Your omen is with yourselves. Is it because you were reminded? Rather, you are a transgressing people."

20. And there came from the farthest end of the city a man, running. He said, "O my people, follow the messengers.

21. Follow those who do not ask of you [any] payment, and they are [rightly] guided.

22. And why should I not worship He who created me and to whom you will be returned?

23. Should I take other than Him [false] deities [while], if the Most Merciful intends for me some adversity, their intercession will not avail me at all, nor can they save me?

24. Indeed, I would then be in manifest error.

25. Indeed, I have believed in your Lord, so listen to me."

26. It was said, "Enter Paradise." He said, "I wish my people could know

27. Of how my Lord has forgiven me and placed me among the honored."

{The Holy Qur'an Chapter 36}

Verse 26, they killed the man because they did not want to understand what was being said to them. Sound familiar?