Quran is free of errors

[darkendless]

Hi darkendless


can you clarify this for me. so really you could say we are made of wood, clay, dust, water,stardust,a rib, in fact almost anything and find a way to say your right?

Yes, with a rediculous amount of energy clay molecules can be broken down into elements and rebuilt into something else. If we're going to assume creation we might as well assume Allah can do what he wants.

However, i keep saying clay elements always retain the integrity of clay, so, im agreeing with the muslim members here conditionally. Realistically we can't be made of clay owing to the fact that elements within our body do not act as clay, as those elements simply would not bond to form a rigid structure such as our own.

My agreement with them simply means i can see what their scripture is saying and that it is not wrong per se, but they weren't aware of some of the laws of chemistry when it was written.

 

[gnostic]

My agreement with them simply means i can see what their scripture is saying and that it is not wrong per se, but they weren't aware of some of the laws of chemistry when it was written.

Apparently.

And apparently, it has not changed. Muslim members here, also don't seem to have any idea about chemistry any more than the 7th century. It would seem that Muslims here are experiencing a localized Dark Ages in the middle of RF.

 

[darkendless]

Apparently.

And apparently, it has not changed. Muslim members here, also don't seem to have any idea about chemistry any more than the 7th century. It would seem that Muslims here are experiencing a localized Dark Ages in the middle of RF.

I'm no expert, i could be ignoring 7 or 8 laws in my response. As a student, i had to take materials science as a subject and from that i learnt that if you break down a composite material (meaning more than one element eg. steel) no matter what, the elements retain their integrity as in, they will always behave like steel.

It dsoesn't say much for the divinity of such a book though. A God would have better than a 7th century knowledge of chemistry.

 

[Ghostaka]

I seemed to have missed the Atheists rolling in support of their buddies last night. Still I can see what happened. Themadhair, question for you! Why do you lose your cool and start swearing as soon as you read something (even remotely-to you) to be true? I think it is really you shutting your eyes to what we write. I looked at your picture of skulls for a good long while but only got two(?) words out of it… Al-Bari'. It is one of the attributes of Allah. Meaning The Evolver; who has the Power to turn the entities. Does that mean our ancestors were apes? Nope. Because apes still exist and humans still exist. (I refrained from sticking in a yo' momma joke right here ) Logically, does evolving from apes and being in totally different league from them (at the same time) register with you? Allah creating everything and evolving other things is logic. We were created by One, to be different from other creatures and that’s the truth. Sorry if it hurts.

Evidently, they (Muslims) preferred to believe in ancient primitive myth that the Qur'an perpetrate

Primitive lol? Coming from someone who is certain his ancestors were once apes.

Peace be upon you.
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edit: Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

 

[kai]

wow 1284, posts and people are still posting things like

Primitive lol? Coming from someone who is certain his ancestors were once apes.



unbelievable:faint:

 

[kai]

Yes, with a rediculous amount of energy clay molecules can be broken down into elements and rebuilt into something else. If we're going to assume creation we might as well assume Allah can do what he wants.

However, i keep saying clay elements always retain the integrity of clay, so, im agreeing with the muslim members here conditionally. Realistically we can't be made of clay owing to the fact that elements within our body do not act as clay, as those elements simply would not bond to form a rigid structure such as our own.

My agreement with them simply means i can see what their scripture is saying and that it is not wrong per se, but they weren't aware of some of the laws of chemistry when it was written.

so really no matter what anyone claims in a holy book about man being made from any known substance at the time, they could by a great deal of circular reasoning and ignoring what is staring them in the face could consider themselves to be right.

for example:

so the Norse stating that the first humans Aska and Embla were created from wood is correct although they did not have the scientific knowledge at the time to know that , then this also is evidence of Norse mythology being true, and is indeed a miracle.


so really its not even a lucky guess, everybody is right because they cant really be wrong.

 

[darkendless]

so really no matter what anyone claims in a holy book about man being made from any known substance at the time, they could by a great deal of circular reasoning and ignoring what is staring them in the face could consider themselves to be right.

for example:

so the Norse stating that the first humans Aska and Embla were created from wood is correct although they did not have the scientific knowledge at the time to know that , then this also is evidence of Norse mythology being true, and is indeed a miracle.


so really its not even a lucky guess, everybody is right because they cant really be wrong.

Do you expect anything else from religious people. They'll make any kind of thing make sense if it keeps their book right, even slightly.

The Norse are just as right as the Muslims. Most norse people don't agree with that anymore..

 

[Gharib]

Primitive lol? Coming from someone who is certain his ancestors were once apes.

Peace be upon you.

thats a good one. i must use that sometime as well.

peace be upon you too.

 

[YmirGF]

We were created by One, to be different from other creatures and that’s the truth. Sorry if it hurts.

I guess that is why Muslims cannot accept that we are a form of ape - a very smart ape - but an ape, nonetheless. The reason Muslims cannot accept this is because the Qur'an would be in error and that can never be.

Primitive lol? Coming from someone who is certain his ancestors were once apes.

Actually, in all fairness, the word primitive doesn't even come close to the level of "intelligence" extolled by the Muslims in this thread. That would be giving them far too much credit.

Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

Again, here I think we can see exactly why Muslims will never again be the leaders in science.

 

[Gharib]

I guess that is why Muslims cannot accept that we are a form of ape - a very smart ape - but an ape, nonetheless. The reason Muslims cannot accept this is because the Qur'an would be in error and that can never be.

Actually, in all fairness, the word primitive doesn't even come close to the level of "intelligence" extolled by the Muslims in this thread. That would be giving them far too much credit.

Again, here I think we can see exactly why Muslims will never again be the leaders in science.

you can guess and think, wow thats impressive. multi tasking ey.

 

[Gharib]

I guess that is why Muslims cannot accept that we are a form of ape - a very smart ape - but an ape, nonetheless. The reason Muslims cannot accept this is because the Qur'an would be in error and that can never be.

we do accept that YmirGF and the quran is not in any error, see for your self:

95 suretun Tin.


4. We have indeed created man in the best of moulds,
5. Then do We abase him (to be) the lowest of the low,- 6. Except such as believe and do righteous deeds: For they shall have a reward unfailing.

no error.

 

[YmirGF]

we do accept that YmirGF and the quran is not in any error, see for your self:

95 suretun Tin.


4. We have indeed created man in the best of moulds,
5. Then do We abase him (to be) the lowest of the low,- 6. Except such as believe and do righteous deeds: For they shall have a reward unfailing.

no error.

It doesn't seem to say anything about human animals being apes, Eselam. Was there a point you were trying to make?

 

[Gharib]

It doesn't seem to say anything about human animals being apes, Eselam. Was there a point you were trying to make?

yeah the point is that Allah (swt) says that we have been created in the best stature (just as i have been saying that we are superior to animals) and then he says we have lowered you down to a low stature ( like an animal) but then he says appart from them who do rightous deeds meaning us muslims.

 

[Gharib]

i agree with you Ymir, you want to call your self an ape, please go ahead, i will support you from now on.

 

[gnostic]

Primitive lol? Coming from someone who is certain his ancestors were once apes.

Sorry, ghostaka, but did I ever say in this thread about evolution or that humans were once apes?

You're putting my words in my mouth.

I have, however, I did speak about modern humans have existed long before the fictional Adam, recently.

Modern humans have been around for over 30,000 years, and there are evidences of this. There are far more proofs that humans tens of thousands of years than human being made out of clay.

Not once, did Muslims provided a single shred of evidence of human-clay. It's a complete farce.

 

[kai]

thats a good one. i must use that sometime as well.

peace be upon you too.

i wouldnt it would make you look silly

 

[gnostic]

4. We have indeed created man in the best of moulds,
5. Then do We abase him (to be) the lowest of the low,- 6. Except such as believe and do righteous deeds: For they shall have a reward unfailing.

Sure, sure, sure.

You would have proof, if only you have the evidence of any mould being used to create human.

Can you provide this mould for us to see?

If I cut your belly open, do you think I would find a single trace of clay?

Once you provide these types of evidences, then I will be the first one to say that the Qur'an is without error. :yes:

 

[darkendless]

i agree with you Ymir, you want to call your self an ape, please go ahead, i will support you from now on.

Come on man you've been in many discussions where people a lot smarter than myself explained why we're apes, didn't you learn anything?

You your head champ, i know you are smarter than this.

 

[Gharib]

i wouldnt it would make you look silly

well is it more silly to call yourself an ape or to use that sentence?

 

[Gharib]

Come on man you've been in many discussions where people a lot smarter than myself explained why we're apes, didn't you learn anything?

You your head champ, i know you are smarter than this.

what have they explained? i must have not been paying too much attention.

is there something that i was soposed to learn from all of that which people have told me?