kai
ragamuffin
oh yeah you bet i'am having a laugh, what else is there to do?
i knew it, great stuff, some of those answers you gave were classics man.
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Quran is free of errors
- Thread starter Zhakir
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i knew it, great stuff, some of those answers you gave were classics man.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
Actually, logically speaking this is the first error already.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
I meant you're too caught up in the Quran that anything that makes sense doesn't make sense to you.
Sad really.
Response: Not without proof.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
If you have had one semester of logic, actually the first week should be sufficient, then you could easily see the mistake in the verses statement.
The proof so to speak is already contained in the very statement itself.
Perhaps you should think about it for a short time, instead of asking me to expain such simple things.
If one were to take the verse and assess it formally, then it would directly fail.
The "solution" can only be in not applying formal logic to it.
Response: In other words, you don't have any proof.
ThereIsNoSpoon
Active Member
No, in other words ... you didn't take the time to think about the issue. 7 minutes between our two posts indicate that.
If you have still problems in lets say 15-20 HOURS then i might tell you the formal proof.
PS: Of course i doubt that you will accept it anyway.
Response: Refer to post 1328
Ghostaka
Active Member
Lol. That worked out quite nicely brother Fatihah!
Ghostaka:
YMirGF, don't you think it's a step up from saying that humans know everything? I think it is. Oh hold on... Maybe if I used "apes" instead of mentioning humans you'd get it?
Peace be upon you,
themadhair
Well-Known Member
I didn’t lose my cool. At this stage you, and your fellow Muslims, have simply outlasted my patience. Don’t confuse honest bluntness with anger, especially when determined to take offence at having your ridiculous ideas of the world strongly and directly challenged.
You can write ‘allahdidit’ until you are blue in the face. It doesn’t make your argument any more rational, any more in conformity to reality and any less contemptible. The only reason you would reach for ‘allahdidit’ as a defence to a claim regarding the physical world is due to not having any defence at all. Claims that cannot be demonstrated, or cannot have evidence presented in support, are worthless.
Ignoring that we humans are apes, you are missing some relevant information. Those skulls are arranged chronologically. With the exception of the fully human skull, all those creatures are from extinct creatures whose type no longer exist. Care to try again at those skulls? Or should I expect the same level of scientific illiteracy and ignorance as your last response?
You would have to explain why allah kept killing each creature off only to replace it with another, highly similar, creature. And you would have to explain why allah would do this in a manner that is completely consistent with common ancestry and descent with modification.
We didn’t evolve from extant apes (and the skulls clearly show that). Us and apes evolved from a common ancestor. It never ceases to amaze how often people miss this distinction.
Let’s run with this idea shall we and assume, for the moment, allah created everything. That means that allah created the fossils, allah determined the biogeographical distribution of the primates and it means that allah created the genetic sequences of all animals. Given that the fossils, the biogeography and the genetics all show and imply common ancestry of humans with the other primates – does that mean you believe that allah is deceptive and a liar? This is the only conclusion given what evidence we have.
It hurts to hold a conclusion drawn from physical evidence accumulated from a century and a half of empirical research and study performed by some of the finest scientists throughout the world? Since when?
gnostic
The Lost One
ghostaka said:
No, not offended. The question was rhetorical.
If I was to cut you open, would I find clay?
I am referring to what doctors (meaning surgeons) and coroners who do autopsy do everyday around the world; they opened up people's body, and coroners often do DNA, and they never find clay molecules in human DNA. Clay molecules are not part of human genome.
That's proof human are not made out of clay molecules, even in tiny parts.
And what have you Muslims have offered as proof?
Nutter'...zilch...zero evidence, hence zero proof.
All you (and other Muslims) can say that Allah is powerful and can do anything, but that's not "evidence", and it is certainly not "proof". That's just belief and faith, not proof. And you (Muslims in general, not you personally) don't understand between fact/proof/evidence and faith/belief.
Proof is far more tangible than faith. Until you have proof, all references to God making human out of clay, is myth, fictional, fairytale, etc. All the Qur'an has done, is validate primitive myths, that some higher power has made humans out clay or earth, like the Bible, like Sumerian/Babylonian creation myth, like Egyptian creation myth, like Canaanite myth, Greek myth, etc, etc, etc. All of which are not based on scientific facts.
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McBell
Unbound
Facts?
Who needs stinking facts?
They have the koran!
They have the ability to ignore all that they think contradicts their god.
What more does a Muslim fanatic need?
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
It makes me sick to my stomach. I've tried hard to be reasonable but i've been overwhelmed with ignorance and biblical nonsense.
I give up muslims, ill let you live in ignorance rather than trying to help you understand something.
Response: Likewise
riverfox
A slave of Allah (swt)
Yes facts.
Why don't you show us, a singal established fact -and not theoris- that contradicts God and his word.
Try to do it.
Yeah likewise
But when we be raised up you will know and understand.
So that He might make manifest to them that about which they differ, and that those who disbelieve realise that they were liars.
[Al-Qur'an 16:39]
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
You wouldn't know a fact if it hit you in the face.
You people are like debating with children. Your fairytales dont hold water with educated people.
McBell
Unbound
No need.
this thread is just plum full of such facts.
It is not my fault that you cannot/will not understand.
ROTFLMAO
you really crack me up.
You should be a stand up comedian.
No really, you should.