Response: Of course he's proud. Because despite your consistant effort to invoke your claims of me above, the evidence proves to the contrary. And we see right through you.
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Response: Of course he's proud. Because despite your consistant effort to invoke your claims of me above, the evidence proves to the contrary. And we see right through you.
Response: There's nothing to explain. What he said is no different from what I've been saying.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
It is entirely different. Tashan did not ask for proof, nor did he reject my statements. He provided alternatives and a conclusion was reached without either of us asking for proof, or telling eachother we were wrong. Its not that hard, i keep an open mind. Fanatical members though do not reflect well upon the religion they defend.
[QUOTE:darkendless]It is entirely different. Tashan did not ask for proof, nor did he reject my statements. He provided alternatives and a conclusion was reached without either of us asking for proof, or telling eachother we were wrong. Its not that hard, i keep an open mind. Fanatical members though do not reflect well upon the religion they defend.[/QUOTE]
Response: Your mind is obviously not opened if you reject the idea of someone asking you for proof. They don't go together.
Response: Your mind is obviously not opened if you reject the idea of someone asking you for proof. They don't go together.
McBell
Unbound
The difference being that when asked for proof you present nothing.
In fact, you have repeatedly stated that what ever you claim is true until you think it has been proven wrong.
Truth, facts, logic, etc. be damned.
You do not accept anything you think contradicts what you believe.
You cling to your merry-go-round like Linus clings to his blanket and defend it even more diligently.
Yet you demand proof from others.
Now I understand that you think that these are good things.
Where is the proof?
The proof is all over this thread for those who are actually looking for it.
For you though, there will never be anything that contradicts your beliefs.
So much for your god being all powerful.
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Response: Yes there is a "merry-go-round". And that "merry-go-round" is provided by people like you. You see, you want to say that Fatihah provides no proof. Then prove it. But you can't and you won't. I'm not even a prophet yet I already no your response. It's going to say something like, "the proof has been provided". That's it. That's your so-called proof. No evidence to prove that I have no proof, just a redundant statement that says I have no proof. Simply saying it is not proof. Thus the above makes you a hypocrite, not me.
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McBell
Unbound
What are you, 5?
You have not presented any proof.
The proof is this whole thread.
You know, the thread where you have not even presented any evidence, let alone proof.
When did I say you have no proof?
You are so confused you cannot even keep the argument straight.
Or is that you are to stupid to keep it straight?
Or perhaps you are intentionally keeping the whole thread topsy turvy because you think it makes you look less stupid?
Or perhaps you think it makes others look stupid?
You and everyone who agrees with the blatant ******** display of yours are nothing more than a serious disgrace to all of Islam.
If the likes are you is what Allah is all about it is no wonder Islam has such a bad name.
I said in post 1446:
"Yes there is a "merry-go-round". And that "merry-go-round" is provided by people like you. You see, you want to say that Fatihah provides no proof. Then prove it. But you can't and you won't. I'm not even a prophet yet I already no your response. It's going to say something like, "the proof has been provided". That's it."
So you respond in post 1447:
[QUOTE/Mestemia]
...The proof is this whole thread...(End quote)
Thus the prophecy is fulfilled. Thanks for the confirmation.
EDIT: Almost forgot. Watch this contridiction:
Quote: Mestemia
When did I say you have no proof?
You are so confused you cannot even keep the argument straight.(End quote)
Now watch this:
Quote: Mestemia
You have not presented any proof.
The proof is this whole thread.
You know, the thread where you have not even presented any evidence, let alone proof.(End quote)
All in the very same post, in the very same paragraph. (Post 1447)
Al Hamdu lilah
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem.
"Yes there is a "merry-go-round". And that "merry-go-round" is provided by people like you. You see, you want to say that Fatihah provides no proof. Then prove it. But you can't and you won't. I'm not even a prophet yet I already no your response. It's going to say something like, "the proof has been provided". That's it."
So you respond in post 1447:
[QUOTE/Mestemia]
...The proof is this whole thread...(End quote)
Thus the prophecy is fulfilled. Thanks for the confirmation.
EDIT: Almost forgot. Watch this contridiction:
Quote: Mestemia
When did I say you have no proof?
You are so confused you cannot even keep the argument straight.(End quote)
Now watch this:
Quote: Mestemia
You have not presented any proof.
The proof is this whole thread.
You know, the thread where you have not even presented any evidence, let alone proof.(End quote)
All in the very same post, in the very same paragraph. (Post 1447)
Al Hamdu lilah
Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem.
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McBell
Unbound
Your feeble attempt at constantly moving the goal posts...
Wait.. perhaps you are merely unable to tell the difference between the two.
I never once said that you had no proof.
I said you have not presented any proof.
It is not any fault of mine if you are unable to tell the difference.
Response: You see it too brother. Quite sad, I must say.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
I merely asked Tashan to clarify what he and myself discussed earlier in the thread which seemed to be ignored, or not understood by other members who continued on as though nothing had been discussed.
JMorris
Democratic Socialist
a sore loser trait? everything you and Fatinah have claimed about the Koran is provably untrue. the fact that you and Fatinah refuse to accept what is proven fact is no failing of ours. you are both utterly pathetic. i must continually remind myself that not all muslims are as willfully ignorant as you two are so proud of being. i find it hard to believe that anyone would be proud to count either of you as a "brother".
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Fatihah....meet Vin.....
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...laims-total-understanding-universal-laws.html
I think you two will get along great!!
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...laims-total-understanding-universal-laws.html
I think you two will get along great!!
kai
ragamuffin
do you think that science is an irresistible force meeting religion which can be an immovable object?
and can anyone answer my question for me---please---Ok can you or anyone for that matter ,explain how everything else except Jin and Man rejected the "free will" of Allah without having the "free will" to do so in the first place?
and can anyone answer my question for me---please---Ok can you or anyone for that matter ,explain how everything else except Jin and Man rejected the "free will" of Allah without having the "free will" to do so in the first place?
Arabic is my first language. Water in early arabic refer to semen and the normal water as well. I remember one verse where Allah mention we were created from a specific kind of water but they translate it in english as ...
Have We not created you from a fluid (held) despicable? (Quran 77:20)
On the other hand, Allah mention that water is a very crucial element for our survival because we can't live without it.
... We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
The verse didn't say we are made of water but that water is the element which all creatures depend on to survive.
Yes, bad translation.
I'll tell you.
[72] We did indeed offer the Trust to the Heavens and the Earth and the Mountains; but they refused to undertake it, being afraid thereof: but man undertook it; - he was indeed unjust and foolish; - (Quran 33:72)
Allah is showing the great importance of trust and responsibility, and that it been offered to the heavens, earth, and mountains but they all feared that they will not be up to it, and human beings easily took it and claimed to be able to hold this important task--maintaining trust amongst human beings and be truthful and up to it.
What more do you want to know kai?
Hey my friend, i don't assume to have followed all what been going between you and him, and i'm trying here to reply to the last page, but i can see your frustration. If you think you have proved your point, you don't have to make him admit it. Sometimes i feel that some members in RF act like children. They close their ears by their hands and start shouting "admit it, admit it, admit it"!!! I hope you are not one of them because i know how intelligent you are. Just make a good point and leave it for readers to decide in case the other poster didn't want to cooperate with you in a positive manner.
When i see people going after a member, i start to think they are either are so freaking bored and have nothing to do with their lives, so they are going through a useless loop with a certain member, or they are after the religion that member belong to and want to hijack the religion through the actions and personal beliefs of that member.
I know you are neither one of them.
Peace be upon you all.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Arabic is my first language. Water in early arabic refer to semen and the normal water as well. I remember one verse where Allah mention we were created from a specific kind of water but they translate it in english as ...
Have We not created you from a fluid (held) despicable? (Quran 77:20)
On the other hand, Allah mention that water is a very crucial element for our survival because we can't live without it.
... We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
The verse didn't say we are made of water but that water is the element which all creatures depend on to survive.
Yes, bad translation.
I can accept that and see where you are comming from. However, like last time you contributed in this thread, i have to say, a lot must be assumed to reach such a conclusion. I think i am understanding the point you are making.
Hey my friend, i don't assume to have followed all what been going between you and him, and i'm trying here to reply to the last page, but i can see your frustration. If you think you have proved your point, you don't have to make him admit it. Sometimes i feel that some members in RF act like children. They close their ears by their hands and start shouting "admit it, admit it, admit it"!!! I hope you are not one of them because i know how intelligent you are. Just make a good point and leave it for readers to decide in case the other poster didn't want to cooperate with you in a positive manner.
When i see people going after a member, i start to think they are either are so freaking bored and have nothing to do with their lives, so they are going through a useless loop with a certain member, or they are after the religion that member belong to and want to hijack the religion through the actions and personal beliefs of that member.
I know you are neither one of them.
Peace be upon you all.
It is not like that at all. I have made my points, many times, but i keep being told i am wrong. So i try to break them down to make them easier to understand. I admit i became very frustrated at an apparent lack of acknowledgement from certain members who enjoy rideculing the efforts of the opposing members who are trying to be intellectual about this debate.
One member cannot consistently ask for evidence, reject that evidence and ask for more without justifying their own position. It makes everyone angry. This discussion has many times degraded from an intellectual debate into children throwing insults at eachother sadly.
Peace be upon you too
Response: There's the statement. Where's the proof?
kai
ragamuffin
its a classic, isn't it?