Quran is free of errors

[Ghostaka]

Dear Darkendless,

Allah said we were made out of water; I'm sure you've heard.

You came with some rough percentages yourself, did you not?

When did "science" make this "awesome" discovery? Not until recently right?

The Qur'an was sent down 1400+ years ago... and Allah's word about water should seem correct to you (<<Not the first time this has happened ay?:sarcastic); since you yourself admit to this fact, am I still right?

Therefore ..... clay, buddy, it's just a matter of time (edit: not for us Muslims.. but you "scientifically"). No need to be stumped... just look at everything else the Allah says in the Qur'an that has also only just been proven to be true; by your very own modern scientists. That should be a clue enough to what the truth is.

Peace be upon you.

 

[darkendless]

Dear Darkendless,

Allah said we were made out of water; I'm sure you've heard.

You came with some rough percentages yourself, did you not?

When did "science" make this "awesome" discovery? Not until recently right?

The Qur'an was sent down 1400+ years ago... and Allah's word about water should seem correct to you (<<Not the first time this has happened ay?:sarcastic); since you yourself admit to this fact, am I still right?

Therefore ..... clay, buddy, it's just a matter of time. No need to be stumped... just look at everything else the Allah says in the Qur'an that has also only just been proven to be true by your very own modern scientists. That should be a clue enough to what the truth is.

Peace be upon you.

Actually we contain a lot of water. We're not "made of water." Our body weight is 4/5ths water, but it doesn't mean we're made of water.

Ghostaka please, use your head. Clay is grinded down rocks, theres no chance in hell we're made of clay, read my posts. The only way we are made of clay is if clay was broken down to its elements and rebuilt, even then it does not work properly.

I'm not having this discussion again, if you members cannot accept it, i'd rather leave you to your self imposed ignorance than offend you all by getting frustrated.

 

[kai]

Darkendless

although you efforts were commendable ,i think its time however to give up the ghost you cant teach people that don't want to be learn.

Its not secret information its science its all out there for anyone to look up. but if someone insists on not listening. then your talents are wasted. I commend you on your patience and tenacity in the face of self induced blindness.

 

[kai]

i have a question for our Muslim friends.

whats this all about.

[33:72] We have offered the responsibility (freedom of choice) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it, and were afraid of it. But the human being accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant.



did god offer "freedom of choice" to the mountains? maybe that's a bad translation ?



heres another



[Shakir 33:72] Surely We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to be unfaithful to it and feared from it, and man has turned unfaithful to it; surely he is unjust, ignorant;



whats going on with these mountains ?

 

[McBell]

wow.
There are a few members posting in this thread who deserve the gold medal in mental gymnastics!

 

[kai]

wow.
There are a few members posting in this thread who deserve the gold medal in mental gymnastics!

it keeps you young

 

[Ghostaka]

i have a question for our Muslim friends.

whats this all about.

[33:72] We have offered the responsibility (freedom of choice) to the heavens and the earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it, and were afraid of it. But the human being accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant.

Lol it is exactly what I am talking about in the "Evolution, what a lie" thread started by brother Eselam. In a very small nutshell, (correct me if I am wrong Muslim brothers), Allah is criticizing (?) humans for accepting the "free will" of whether to worship Allah or not. Everything denied the responsibility - therefore submissive to Allah - (except for Jinn and man) because it would then mean enrolling themselves in a test, ergo: punishment or reward as a result.

Now this is without any research, so....

Peace be upon.
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Whatever written of Truth and benefit is only due to Allah’s Assistance and Guidance, and whatever of error is of me. Allah Alone Knows Best and He is the Only Source of Strength.

 

[Ghostaka]

Kai,

Did you think it was supposed to contribute to the so-called "errors" in the Qur'an or was it a question with genuine interest?

Peace be upon.

 

[kai]

Kai,

Did you think it was supposed to contribute to the so-called "errors" in the Qur'an or was it a question with genuine interest?

Peace be upon.

a question of genuine interest of course! i was wondering how "everything" refused the offer? is this supposed to be taken literally? its a very similar offer if not the same offer Islamic leaders used to offer Non Muslims before hostilities.

 

[YmirGF]

The fact that you can't produce evidence to the contrary is proof enough as well as who's statement is actually the stupid one.

Let me get this straight. You first make a claim that you would not freeze and then I say you would. You then have the unmitigated gall to ask me for proof. Child, you made the original claim. It is up to you to backup what you are saying. If you do that I will dig up some interesting tidbits, but until you support the drivel of your thinking with verifiable facts why should I even bother?

 

[Arkwort]

If we're made of clay and water,
and if all life is made of clay and water,
does this suggest that evolution is how it happened,
a molecule in clay and water self replicating and mutating over time?

Arkwort

 

[Fatihah]

Darkendless

although you efforts were commendable ,i think its time however to give up the ghost you cant teach people that don't want to be learn.

Its not secret information its science its all out there for anyone to look up. but if someone insists on not listening. then your talents are wasted. I commend you on your patience and tenacity in the face of self induced blindness.

Response: Likewise.

 

[Fatihah]

Let me get this straight. You first make a claim that you would not freeze and then I say you would. You then have the unmitigated gall to ask me for proof. Child, you made the original claim. It is up to you to backup what you are saying. If you do that I will dig up some interesting tidbits, but until you support the drivel of your thinking with verifiable facts why should I even bother?

Response: If you lack the common sense in understanding that I or anyone for that matter will not freeze solid in the same manner water will than that is your problem. I don't debate common sense. What's next? You want to debate why 2+2=4?

Then on top of that you want to add on your hypocrisy. You see, you made a claim as well. Your claim is that I am wrong. Therefore, you are responsible to back up your claim as well. It works both ways. To say I have to and you don't once again shows the hypocrisy and fallacies in your own arguments. My proof is provided everytime you can't prove otherwise. If you can't prove that something is possible, than it's "impossible," making my claim valid, and yours invalid.

 

[Gharib]

If we're made of clay and water,
and if all life is made of clay and water,

life is not made from just clay and water.

what is the soul made out of?

does this suggest that evolution is how it happened,
a molecule in clay and water self replicating and mutating over time?

Arkwort

no thats not how it happened.

how would a molucule know that it had to replicate or mutate after some period of time?

 

[YmirGF]

Response: If you lack the common sense in understanding that I or anyone for that matter will not freeze solid in the same manner water will than that is your problem. I don't debate common sense. What's next? You want to debate why 2+2=4?

Then on top of that you want to add on your hypocrisy. You see, you made a claim as well. Your claim is that I am wrong. Therefore, you are responsible to back up your claim as well. It works both ways. To say I have to and you don't once again shows the hypocrisy and fallacies in your own arguments. My proof is provided everytime you can't prove otherwise. If you can't prove that something is possible, than it's "impossible," making my claim valid, and yours invalid.

You mean to tell me that a piece of chicken left in your freezer for 3 months it will not be frozen solid? If you leave a naked human body out in sub-zero temperatures long enough it will become precisely like that piece of chicken from your freezer.

If you are claiming that is not so, then how precisely are you meaning what you are claiming?

 

[Gharib]

You mean to tell me that a piece of chicken left in your freezer for 3 months it will not be frozen solid? If you leave a naked human body out in sub-zero temperatures long enough it will become precisely like that piece of chicken from your freezer.

If you are claiming that is not so, then how precisely are you meaning what you are claiming?

no one is talking about sub-zero temperatures.

 

[Gharib]

You mean to tell me that a piece of chicken left in your freezer for 3 months it will not be frozen solid? If you leave a naked human body out in sub-zero temperatures long enough it will become precisely like that piece of chicken from your freezer.

If you are claiming that is not so, then how precisely are you meaning what you are claiming?

what happens if you leave both of them at room temp? wh won't the peice of chiken produce heat and why will it rot?

 

[Fatihah]

You mean to tell me that a piece of chicken left in your freezer for 3 months it will not be frozen solid? If you leave a naked human body out in sub-zero temperatures long enough it will become precisely like that piece of chicken from your freezer.

If you are claiming that is not so, then how precisely are you meaning what you are claiming?

Response: You see, because you are too buisy trying to catch me on something, your failing to grasp what I said. In post 882 of page 89 I specifically said that if I were to go outside during the winter with a cup of water, after a while the water will freeze solid but I won't. That does not mean that a body can not freeze solid. There has to be a specific temperature for the body to do so. The temperature required for the body to freeze solid is not the same for water. That's the point. We are made of water yet we won't freeze solid "in the same manner" as water. The reason is because there are other factors. That's the point. The post does not say that a body can't freeze solid and it especially won't during winter. There is no winter cold enough to freeze the body solid in America. Notice that I said "If I" were to go outside in the winter. I live in the US. So no, "I" won't freeze solid in the winter.

 

[YmirGF]

no one is talking about sub-zero temperatures.

I know that critical thought is difficult for you, Eselam, but do try to keep up. Now pay attention. This is exactly what Fatihah said.

Water will freeze solid when exposed to certain temperatures.

For water to "freeze solid" the temperature must be at the freezing point of water. If water is exposed to temperatures below the freezing point (of water) it will take less time for it to become a "solid". Note: Every known element has a "freezing point" above which the element will "melt".

If I walked outside in the freezing winter with a cup of water, after some time, the water inside will freeze solid.

By default, this statement, as written implies below freezing temperature conditions (I.E. -32 F. or -0 C.)

I on the other hand will not, despite the fact that science says that we are made of water.

This is the part that is simply not true, unless he is already "dressed for winter". If he tried this wearing his underwear, I would suggest that he would quickly begin to feel the very same effects of the cold that are working on the glass of water... though at a slower rate because the human body is not a "pure substance" like the glass of water. The reality is that different aspects of the body would slowly begin to freeze. Given enough time, the freezing would be complete.

So does this mean that science is wrong?

No it doesn't mean that science is wrong, however it does mean that Fatihah is deliberately distorting the facts to suit his/her/its argument.

No. Because there are other factors involved.

The whole point of this is simply that in the original argument the Qur'an refers to clay, water and Allah as being responsible for the creation of man, and never all in the same verses. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that Muslims are reading much more into these verses than is actually there to begin with.

The same is the case concerning man in relation with clay.

This too is where Fatihah simply conjectures and offers nothing even approaching proof as to what he is saying. It's simply a mental leap and in my view a false comparison mainly because the human body does not contain traces of clay.

Saying that the human body contains many of the same elements as clay, and is therefore made from clay (or the essence of clay) is nothing short of ludicrous and is as meaningful as saying that the human body is created from the essence of alcohol, which by using the same logic, it is.

IF any non-Muslims can see anything wrong with what I am saying, PLEASE set me straight on this.

 

[YmirGF]

Response: You see, because you are too buisy trying to catch me on something, your failing to grasp what I said. In post 882 of page 89 I specifically said that if I were to go outside during the winter with a cup of water, after a while the water will freeze solid but I won't. That does not mean that a body can not freeze solid. There has to be a specific temperature for the body to do so. The temperature required for the body to freeze solid is not the same for water. That's the point. We are made of water yet we won't freeze solid "in the same manner" as water. The reason is because there are other factors. That's the point. The post does not say that a body can't freeze solid and it especially won't during winter. There is no winter cold enough to freeze the body solid in America. Notice that I said "If I" were to go outside in the winter. I live in the US. So no, "I" won't freeze solid in the winter.

But Fatihah, that makes your point almost meaningless though. That is my point.