Quran Scientific Miracles.

[exchemist]

There would be a lot more shaking without mountains.

That's ridiculous. Mountains are uplifted by compression of the Earth's crust - which inescapably involves earthquakes.

 

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Mountains can either reduce or amplify the intensity of earthquakes depending on a variety of factors.

So saying mountains reduce shaking would be a 'miracle' and saying mountains increase shaking would also be a 'miracle'

And therein lies the rub...

If no mountains at all, would earth shake a lot more? IT's actually very simple. This is a fact it got right.

To me no scientific sign is a miracle, because Jinn know all these things.

 

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If no mountains at all, would earth shake a lot more? IT's actually very simple. This is a fact it got right.

To me no scientific sign is a miracle, because Jinn know all these things.

I like Jin from Tekken 3

 

[KWED]

OK. But you won't get many - if any - takers this way, as it's too obviously coat-trailing. People periodically try this approach with the Christian creationists and draw a blank. Nobody comes forward just to be hammered.

I think you'll have more luck drawing out the views of individual people when they express such ideas incidentally in other threads.

A lack of responses is also usable data.

 

[KWED]

How about the words used for mountains. Did people know mountains were like pegs into the earth and stabilized earth from constantly shaking?

They aren't/don't.

 

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They aren't/don't.

You are saying if no mountains, the earth would not shake a lot more?

 

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Anyways to me this is of least interest. All these "scientific" facts are known by Jinn before Quran so are not signs or proofs. So if Mohammad (s) is a sorcerer or possessed like disbelievers claim, these would not prove anything.

The real battle is between soothsaying type jinn worshipers and believers of power of Prophets and leaders appointed by God. That lies in the logic of Quran on why God guides, appoints authority clearly and provides scripture in a form of signs and proofs and counter claims.

Atheists are a joke who think they have intellectual superiority when everyone knows how foolish they are.

The Mahdi will come with miracles, atheists will have no say in the final battle. They are loud now but in the final show down, their voice is insignificant.

And their voice in insignificant to all people who witness unseen reality.

 

[KWED]

There would be a lot more shaking without mountains.

Mountains do not prevent earthquakes. Mountainous areas are often the most prone to earthquakes.

A claim that mountains prevent earthquakes is simply wrong.

 

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Mountains do not prevent earthquakes. Mountainous areas are often the most prone to earthquakes.

A claim that mountains prevent earthquakes is simply wrong.

I'm talking over all earth. If no mountains. But you don't know your science, just like you know nothing in general. I'm out.

They are prone to earthquakes, why? Same reason as to why if no mountains, there would be so many more earthquakes.

You don't know anything. Not even things you make yourself an expert on.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

I have been hearing a lot of talk about the Quran containing specific scientific knowledge that could not possibly have been known at the time it was written, and that has only recently been confirmed by modern science.

Could anyone present a couple of best examples of these science miracles so we can see if they are what they claim to be?
Also, could you show where Islamic scholars have revealed this knowledge before science did?
Thanks

@MyM

I don't believe Quran is much about science. It is about a way of life for people of previous age (not for our age).

But it has very few science related statements which are not really meant to teach science but rather these are spiritual teachings by using metaphors.

I present one for you, from what Abdulbaha explains:

"...before the observations of modern times—that is to say, during the first centuries and down to the fifteenth century of the Christian era—all the mathematicians of the world agreed that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun moved. The famous astronomer who was the protagonist of the new theory discovered the movement of the earth and the immobility of the sun. 5 Until his time all the astronomers and philosophers of the world followed the Ptolemaic system, and whoever said anything against it was considered ignorant. Though Pythagoras, and Plato during the latter part of his life, adopted the theory that the annual movement of the sun around the zodiac does not proceed from the sun, but rather from the movement of the earth around the sun, this theory had been entirely forgotten, and the Ptolemaic system was accepted by all mathematicians. But there are some verses revealed in the Qur’án contrary to the theory of the Ptolemaic system. One of them is “The sun moves in a fixed place,” which shows the fixity of the sun, and its movement around an axis. 6 Again, in another verse, “And each star moves in its own heaven.” 7 Thus is explained the movement of the sun, of the moon, of the earth, and of other bodies. When the Qur’án appeared, all the mathematicians ridiculed these statements and attributed the theory to ignorance. Even the doctors of Islám, when they saw that these verses were contrary to the accepted Ptolemaic system, were obliged to explain them away."

Bahá'í Reference Library - Some Answered Questions, Pages 18-24

 

[KWED]

If no mountains at all, would earth shake a lot more? IT's actually very simple. This is a fact it got right.

If there were no mountains, there would be no tectonic plate movement, and therefore far fewer earthquakes. It's actually very simple. The Quran is wrong.

If mountains prevented earthquakes we should expect mountainous areas to be unaffected by earthquakes. This is not the case. Mountainous areas are often the worst affected by earthquakes. It's actually very simple. The Quran got it wrong.

 

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If there were no mountains, there would be no tectonic plate movement, and therefore far fewer earthquakes. It's actually very simple. The Quran is wrong.

If mountains prevented earthquakes we should expect mountainous areas to be unaffected by earthquakes. This is not the case. Mountainous areas are often the worst affected by earthquakes. It's actually very simple. The Quran got it wrong.

Like I said, you have no clue. Same reason they get more activity (mountain areas) is same reason mountains are needed on earth or it would constantly shake. Research. Stop talking with no knowledge. I've researched this issue in depth a long time go.

 

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The formation of mountains occurred how? And how did earth stabilize in the first place? Like I said, you have no clue. Just ask a scientist who knows these things, if you don't. Stop talking non-sense.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

And He has set up on the earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake with you; and rivers and roads; that ye may guide yourselves (Qur'an 16.15, Yusuf Ali translation).​

Something about mountains keeping the land from shaking. My favorite claim! Research shows that the power of an earthquake can be reduced by mountains, and that the power of an earthquake can even be multiplied by mountains. Regardless of how some mountains influence earthquakes, what does 'lest it (the land) should shake with you' even mean? We shake, which triggers the land to shake, so mountains are there to keep it from shaking with us? That, from my perspective, is silly.

Interestingly, the Arabic word in the Qur'anic verse above translated above as 'with' as in 'shake with you' is bi. This word can also be translated as 'because of' or 'on account of.' In my opinion, a better translation would be, 'lest it should shake because of you.' As for the land shaking, is it literally or figuratively shaking? I say figuratively. If I were a Muslim, I would interpret the verse to mean that one reason mountains exist is so that the land does not 'shake' in anger because of human beings. Human beings destroy all kinds of life wherever they go. Without mountains, there would be a lot less biodiversity. Thanks to mountains, the land, the earth has a large variety of life that human beings have not obliterated. So, I guess the land is not shaking in anger and asking its creator to relieve it of humanity.

Could mountain be a metaphor?
In Hadithes as well as in the Bible, those religious Leaders who are firm, are called mountain. God placed leaders in religion so, the heart of believers remain firm.

 

[KWED]

I'm talking over all earth. If no mountains. But you don't know your science, just like you know nothing in general. I'm out.
They are prone to earthquakes, why? Same reason as to why if no mountains, there would be so many more earthquakes.
You don't know anything. Not even things you make yourself an expert on.

Why do you keep doing this to yourself?
Look at this. The top map shows earthquake prone regions. The bottom map shows mountain regions.
See how they correspond? Please, please just look at the evidence. It's for your own good...

 

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If mountains prevented earthquakes we should expect mountainous areas to be unaffected by earthquakes.

This is kindergarten science inference. Go research the real science.

Why do you keep doing this to yourself?
Look at this. The top map shows earthquake prone regions. The bottom map shows mountain regions.
See how they correspond? Please, please just just look at the evidence. It's for your own good...

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You're inference is wrong. The mountain regions have more earthquakes true. Your conclusion, it means earth would shake less without mountains is foolish and doesn't even understand why they have more activity.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

If there were no mountains, there would be no tectonic plate movement, and therefore far fewer earthquakes. It's actually very simple. The Quran is wrong.

If mountains prevented earthquakes we should expect mountainous areas to be unaffected by earthquakes. This is not the case. Mountainous areas are often the worst affected by earthquakes. It's actually very simple. The Quran got it wrong.

If you show some Muslims, those verses they always thought as miracles, are not really scientific, they could get upset. You know, they could feel their belief is shaking. Please don't

 

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My problem with atheists, they never research anything in depth. Nothing. All surface level, it's annoying. They do it with Quranic verses, hadiths, and even science. Everything is surface level.

 

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How does a mountain form in the first place? And how does it reach equilibrium? Mountains were formed by tectonic movement. They reach equilibrium how?

Go do some research. Of course, they are going to have the most activity the mountain areas. But what would be the state of the earth if no mountains. Constant tectonic movement, no stability.

 

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This seem to be answer by a scientist if there would be no mountains on earth right now, what would be the state:

No Plate Tectonics
To have a world with no mountains occur naturally, there must be no plate tectonics. To have no plate tectonics, there must either be no moon, or the moon must be tidally locked to prevent its gravitic influence causing heat-producing deformation of the world.

A consequence of this is that there would be no earthquakes and erosion would eventually level land and sea-floor alike until it was eventually all an equal depth beneath the water (aside from small solar tides). There would be no geomagnetic field (that being caused by the same processes as plate tectonics), which would allow higher radiation levels at the surface.

The Mountains were taken away!
If earth's mountains were magically instantly removed, there would be immediate repercussions. All that stone has mass, and the crust beneath which had been pressed into the mantle would rebound, causing worldwide earthquakes. Volcanoes would erupt as their plugs of stone were removed or weakened.

All this is not considering the effects on the global weather patterns.

In the long term, mountains would reappear as plate tectonics continued to deform the landscape.



My comment: Anyways, I'm not an expert on this. But I've researched it a long time ago. Long time. But there is even new theories now with computer models that supports mountains are needed for stability.