Reasons To Believe In Yeshua/Jesus Christ Our Lord

[Trailblazer]

God did, but Jesus didn't, unless you're Mormon.

God, did but Jesus didn't, even if you aren't Mormon.

 

[Trailblazer]

So why doesn't he show himself once in a while? He had no problem doing it all the time in the OT. How did a Big Bruiser like God suddenly get so people-shy?

No, God never showed Himself to anyone. The OT is anthropomorphic and misleading. It does not depict God's intrinsic nature, which is hidden.

 

[Trailblazer]

So why don't you believe the writers of the Bible? Do you think they all were lying?

So why do you believe the writers of the Bible? Why do you think they knew about Jesus and God?

 

[Alien826]

I believe I am evidence that God exists.

That's nothing. I'm evidence for the Multiverse, and UFOs.

So there.

 

[timothy1027]

Although no human has yet proven or disproven that God exists, I do think that it's more likely than not that the Universe (including life) was created by a creator as apposed to developing from random & arbitrary chemical processes over the millennia. We just have no proof of this (yet). There seems to be many indicators though. e.g. The moon and the sun appear to be the same size in the sky, our planet appears in "the Goldilocks zone" in its orbit around the sun, life is extremely rare & valuable, human consciousness is mysterious & undefined, etc.

 

[danieldemol]

Although no human has yet proven or disproven that God exists, I do think that it's more likely than not that the Universe (including life) was created by a creator as apposed to developing from random & arbitrary chemical processes over the millennia. We just have no proof of this (yet). There seems to be many indicators though. e.g. The moon and the sun appear to be the same size in the sky, our planet appears in "the Goldilocks zone" in its orbit around the sun, life is extremely rare & valuable, human consciousness is mysterious & undefined, etc.

I believe the apparent size of the moon and sun is an illusion produced by the extreme distance of the earth from the sun relative to the moon.

There are plenty of planets that do not appear in the goldilocks zone, and our planet will not be in the goldilocks zone when the sun goes red giant.

"We don't fully understand consciousness therefore God" sounds to me like an argument from ignorance fallacy along the lines of the ancients saying something like "we don't understand lightning therefore Zeus".

There is evidence that life evolved due to chemical processes that were not arbitrary but guided by natural selection such as endogenous retrovirus insertions in our DNA history in my view.

 

[danieldemol]

@timothy1027
You might find this clip explaining endogenous retroviruses and how they support evolution informative;

 

[timothy1027]

I believe the apparent size of the moon and sun is an illusion produced by the extreme distance of the earth from the sun relative to the moon.

There are plenty of planets that do not appear in the goldilocks zone, and our planet will not be in the goldilocks zone when the sun goes red giant.

"We don't fully understand consciousness therefore God" sounds to me like an argument from ignorance fallacy along the lines of the ancients saying something like "we don't understand lightning therefore Zeus".

There is evidence that life evolved due to chemical processes that were not arbitrary but guided by natural selection such as endogenous retrovirus insertions in our DNA history in my view.

I was not asking questions, I was pointing to facts which I consider to be "indicators" of a creator, NOT evidence or proof but only "indicators."
The appearance of the sun and the moon being the same size from earth appears to be "designed" for humans as apposed to arbitrary/random.
Even though human consciousness is a mystery, we can still ask questions and draw conclusions about the Universe.
Evolution is very interesting and fascinating, but it does NOT answer all of the questions we have about the origin of life.

 

[danieldemol]

I was not asking questions, I was pointing to facts which I consider to be "indicators" of a creator, NOT evidence or proof but only "indicators."
The appearance of the sun and the moon being the same size from earth appears to be "designed" for humans as apposed to arbitrary/random.

But the size of the moon appears at different sizes to the sun dependant on its angle on the horizon due to atmospheric lensing, so the moon only occasionally appears the same size as the sun.

Perhaps more importantly in my view is that the size appearance of the moon serves no functional purpose to humans *and* even if it did this would not indicate intelligent design as opposed to the blind design of nature since there are many billions of stars, planets and moons of varying length and appearance characteristics.

Even though human consciousness is a mystery, we can still ask questions and draw conclusions about the Universe.

Sure we can, but some of those conclusions are formed from arguments from ignorance, so they leave us with a God of the gaps with those gaps in knowledge constantly shrinking as our scientific understanding increases.

Evolution is very interesting and fascinating, but it does NOT answer all of the questions we have about the origin of life.

True, abiogenesis answers most of the rest of those questions in my opinion although I acknowledge it still has knowledge gaps for you to insert your God into if you wish.

My personal take is that most humans who believe in God do so for irrational purposes, and so long as they do no harm to others that is ok. I myself believe in a God for irrational purposes.

 

[timothy1027]

But the size of the moon appears at different sizes to the sun dependant on its angle on the horizon due to atmospheric lensing, so the moon only occasionally appears the same size as the sun.

Perhaps more importantly in my view is that the size appearance of the moon serves no functional purpose to humans *and* even if it did this would not indicate intelligent design as opposed to the blind design of nature since there are many billions of stars, planets and moons of varying length and appearance characteristics.

Sure we can, but some of those conclusions are formed from arguments from ignorance, so they leave us with a God of the gaps with those gaps in knowledge constantly shrinking as our scientific understanding increases.

True, abiogenesis answers most of the rest of those questions in my opinion although I acknowledge it still has knowledge gaps for you to insert your God into if you wish.

My personal take is that most humans who believe in God do so for irrational purposes, and so long as they do no harm to others that is ok. I myself believe in a God for irrational purposes.

"...so long as they do no harm to others..." This is EXACTLY the problem that many people have pointed to! e.g. The Crusades, reversal of Roe v. Wade, witch trials, etc...

 

[Audie]

I was not asking questions, I was pointing to facts which I consider to be "indicators" of a creator, NOT evidence or proof but only "indicators."
The appearance of the sun and the moon being the same size from earth appears to be "designed" for humans as apposed to arbitrary/random.
Even though human consciousness is a mystery, we can still ask questions and draw conclusions about the Universe.
Evolution is very interesting and fascinating, but it does NOT answer all of the questions we have about the origin of life.

ToE answers none of those.

Neither does auto mechanics

Neither deals with origin in any way

 

[Jimmy]

He’s the one. His very life is existence itself.

 

[timothy1027]

He’s the one. His very life is existence itself.

Who is "he?"

 

[Thrillobyte]

Supposedly he became a still, small voice after he became head honcho.

In an age when gullible dumb as rocks goat herders suddenly turned into highly educated forward thinking individuals and scientists 2000 years later would it be too naive to ask sarcastically, "Are we really surprised?" Seems man simply became too intelligent for God to handle so he slunk away into the shadows and recesses of hardcore fanatical Christian minds and hid there.

 

[Thrillobyte]

Jesus is the Messiah, because He did many miracles.

How do you know he did many miracles or any miracles at all? What extra-Biblical texts do you get this info from?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

How do you know he did many miracles or any miracles at all? What extra-Biblical texts do you get this info from?

In Bible, the term "Miracle", means wonderful works. That's what I mean. I don't mean Magic. Jesus was not a Magician.

 

[lukethethird]

In Bible, the term "Miracle", means wonderful works. That's what I mean. I don't mean Magic. Jesus was not a Magician.

Jesus was a magician, he performed cheap parlour tricks at weddings such as turning water into wine, and he performed a hard reading at a well convincing one of the locals that he was the Messiah.

 

[Colt]

A load of unwarranted assumptions is what you call "reason"?
There is no reliable evidence that God even exists let alone has a son in my view.

Having said that I'll lay my cards on the table, I do believe in a God that is disinterested in the material realm, but not due to the process of complete impartial reason.

Still since I do not share your starting premise that God has a Son, nor do I believe your premise that God has interest in the material realm you will find it an uphill struggle to convince me your post is reason to believe in my opinion.

I believe that the Universal Father is our grandfather and Christ Michael, aka Jesus of Nazareth is our Creator Son. The Universal Father delegates powers and authority to his sons and their subordinate sons. I see the universe as friendly and carefully managed.

 

[DNB]

Although no human has yet proven or disproven that God exists, I do think that it's more likely than not that the Universe (including life) was created by a creator as apposed to developing from random & arbitrary chemical processes over the millennia. We just have no proof of this (yet). There seems to be many indicators though. e.g. The moon and the sun appear to be the same size in the sky, our planet appears in "the Goldilocks zone" in its orbit around the sun, life is extremely rare & valuable, human consciousness is mysterious & undefined, etc.

You made some good perceptions, that should dispel the atheist's belief that proof of God's existence is devoid of any evidence.

 

[DNB]

A load of unwarranted assumptions is what you call "reason"?
There is no reliable evidence that God even exists let alone has a son in my view.

Having said that I'll lay my cards on the table, I do believe in a God that is disinterested in the material realm, but not due to the process of complete impartial reason.

Still since I do not share your starting premise that God has a Son, nor do I believe your premise that God has interest in the material realm you will find it an uphill struggle to convince me your post is reason to believe in my opinion.

You believe in a '...God that is disinterested in the material realm..'?
Well then, your God is not physical but spirit as far as His ontology is concerned, I imagine?
And, yet, you don't attribute His efforts in creating the universe (physical entity), which your previous posts on this thread appear to assert?
What or where then, is God's involvement, impact, or influence, in anything within the universe, or outside?
He must have left His mark somewhere, or has a purpose in something, for you to draw the conclusion that He exists?