Religion and homosexuality

[Autodidact]

I assure you, I'm not going for a parody.

Oh. Well in that case you have my sympathy.

 

[Autodidact]

The sexual act of homosexual coupling has nothing to do with respect, but abuse. Any form of sex outside of marriage is fornication, and marriage is to unite as one to form basis of a family unit...

I've been thinking over your post, LIttleNipper. In all seriousness, I forgive you.

 

[LittleNipper]

I've been thinking over your post, LIttleNipper. In all seriousness, I forgive you.

I can always use forgiveness. And I forgive you.

 

[Autodidact]

I can always use forgiveness. And I forgive you.

For what?

 

[LittleNipper]

no, when all else fails.... go back to the usual bigot tactic

where those that are the focus of bigotry are seen as not human

Here we see gay and lesbians compared to horses

we can see this tactic from time immemorial...
Jews are Rats (Nazis)
Black People are Monkeys (King Kong) or subhumans

etc etc

If in doubt, the bigot compares animals to people
because in their mind, the focus of their bigotry are not human.

Of course the right wing christian assumes if same sex marriage occurs, then people will want to marry their pet dog...again assuming that homosexuals are caninines and not people.... this sentiment is shared by many same sex marriage opposers.

Its the same tired, small of thought bigotry that has been perpetuated for centuries.

It is not off on left field, its hatred, pure and simple

"The Jews are undoubtedly a race, but they are not human"

--Adolf Hitler

And what exactly did Hitler (if he made it) base his comment on? I do not hate homosexuals. I do find homosexual sex to be a sinful act that is unworthy of general social acceptance. I base this not on my own feelings or determinations, but by what has been written throughout GOD Holy Word.

If the Bible said men lying with men was acceptable, it would be wrong for me to not accept such behavior.

The Bible clearly states that those who curse the JEW will themselves be so cursed. Hitler's eternity doesn't seem very bright in that regard...

My main concern with the prospect that if homosexual marriage is accepted, is that Christians will have to accept that behavior and not speak against it, or they will find themselves in opposition to the Federal Government. This means that if as a Christian College, married couples are accepted, that homosexuals who wish to attend and are "married," will have to be allowed to attend.

If I have a Christian business and provide healthcare to my married employees, then I would be forced to acknowledge homosexual "married" couples. There are obviously many other such examples.

The reality is that "Christians" have been and are discriminated against already simply for their beliefs and not their behavior. The difference maybe, that as a Christian, I would not want to frequent or be around people who didn't want me there. I would not seek to work at places that didn't want me to bring up my beliefs as a matter of normal conversation.

I would simply not attend a secular university that didn't want me to mention my beliefs. I'd want to work for an employer that appreciated my beliefs and not try to make one who didn't hire me. But that is REAL FREEDOM and personal responcibility. They go hand and hand.

 

[Kerr]

My main concern with the prospect that if homosexual marriage is accepted, is that Christians will have to accept that behavior and not speak against it, or they will find themselves in opposition to the Federal Government. This means that if as a Christian College, married couples are accepted, that homosexuals who wish to attend and are "married," will have to be allowed to attend.

If I have a Christian business and provide healthcare to my married employees, then I would be forced to acknowledge homosexual "married" couples. There are obviously many other such examples

So basically you are annoyed that you will have to treat homosexuals as human beings with the same rights and priviligues as everyone else? Hardly something that can be considered bad.

The reality is that "Christians" have been and are discriminated against already simply for their beliefs and not their behavior. The difference maybe, that as a Christian, I would not want to frequent or be around people who didn't want me there. I would not seek to work at places that didn't want me to bring up my beliefs as a matter of normal conversation.

Don´t know where you live, but over here Christians are not being discriminated. That gay people can marry is not the Christians being discriminated, it is intolerance having to take a step back for progress.

I would simply not attend a secular university that didn't want me to mention my beliefs. I'd want to work for an employer that appreciated my beliefs and not try to make one who didn't hire me. But that is REAL FREEDOM and personal responcibility. They go hand and hand.

Lol, I guess you can say the same against racism. It does not mean it is a realistic manner to deal with the issue.

 

[averageJOE]

If I have a Christian business and provide healthcare to my married employees, then I would be forced to acknowledge homosexual "married" couples. There are obviously many other such examples.

Because your baby god jesus dosn't want everyone to have health care.

 

[Sunstone]

The reality is that "Christians" have been and are discriminated against already simply for their beliefs and not their behavior.

But isn't the notion that Christians are discriminated against just a myth perpetuated by people who would whine and complain even if they lived in heaven? Afterall, Christians are in power in this country.

 

[no-body]

I'd want to work for an employer that appreciated my beliefs and not try to make one who didn't hire me. But that is REAL FREEDOM and personal responcibility. They go hand and hand.

So do you think if the companies head honchos where kkk they should have the right not to hire minorities? Sorry but keeping you from discriminating is not discriminating.

 

[Autodidact]

Allow me to translate. By "discriminated against," LittleNipper means, "not allowed to discriminate."

 

[Witch of Hope]

Well, since the verse in question is supposed to be gods own words, I wonder how he (god) defines abomination?

Cause this words didn't come from God, they come from jewish priests. With this thy want to hold their faith seperate from other groups (pagans)

 

[McBell]

Cause this words didn't come from God, they come from jewish priests. With this thy want to hold their faith seperate from other groups (pagans)

You did not answer the question.
What did the Biblical deity mean when it said that homosexuality is an abomination?

 

[Witch of Hope]

You did not answer the question.
What did the Biblical deity mean when it said that homosexuality is an abomination?

I did, but you didn't want to hear. And by the way, did God or Jesus exist? Or is it a hoax? Or are they not deity?

 

[McBell]

I did, but you didn't want to hear. And by the way, did God or Jesus exist? Or is it a hoax? Or are they not deity?

So now you are avoiding answering the question?

What is it that you are afraid of?

It is clear that the OT was not homosexual friendly.
I cannot help but wonder why you try to deny it.

 

[Witch of Hope]

So now you are avoiding answering the question?
What is it that you are afraid of?

I'm not afraid of everything! But I think, that fundamentalist Christians misused the bible for their own purpuses.

It is clear that the OT was not homosexual friendly.
I cannot help but wonder why you try to deny it.

Did you man this scripture from Leviticus about abomination? I have in German a lot of stuff about it. And it shows, that this "Law" were only for Jews, and a part ot the "CEREMONIAL LAW" of jewish priests. It didn't count for Christians. Besides, also womn with menstruation are mentioned by Jews as abomination. This woman can't go to the temple or do some religious stuff. It is so easy to understand, if you read some interesting books about it:

Harrison, R K: Leviticus : an introduction and commentary.-​

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Noth, Martin: Leviticus : a commentary​

 

[McBell]

I'm not afraid of everything! But I think, that fundamentalist Christians misused the bible for their own purpuses.



Did you man this scripture from Leviticus about abomination? I have in German a lot of stuff about it. And it shows, that this "Law" were only for Jews, and a part ot the "CEREMONIAL LAW" of jewish priests. It didn't count for Christians. Besides, also womn with menstruation are mentioned by Jews as abomination. This woman can't go to the temple or do some religious stuff. It is so easy to understand, if you read some interesting books about it:

Harrison, R K: Leviticus : an introduction and commentary.-​

Noth, Martin: Leviticus : a commentary​

How about we stop with your side tracking and get back to the question you are avoiding?

Here it is again:

What did the Biblical deity mean when it said that homosexuality is an abomination?
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Here are the two verses in question:

Leviticus 18:22 (King James Version)
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.



Leviticus 20:13 (King James Version)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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I have in German a lot of stuff about it. And it shows, that this "Law" were only for Jews, and a part ot the "CEREMONIAL LAW" of jewish priests. It didn't count for Christians.

So your argument is that god thinks it is an abomination for Jews, but not for Christians?

 

[Witch of Hope]

Yes. From my article "Homosexuality and Bible" (quick translation):

If we look, nevertheless, once the word "abomination" whether there can maybe be a clue to us.
Into Hebrew language this word is translated with "Toevah" what means so much that God a little abhors, something which is impure.
Therefore a ritual impurity and no moral sin is meant with it what one would have to translate with Hebrew "Zimah". The Septuaginta translate this word right-wise with the word "bdelygma" what describes a ritual impurity, and not with "anomia" what stands for violation and sin. Thus a woman who got menstuation is also called abominate and impure, and she mightn't enter the temple in this condition, however, so she wasn't sinful. Toevah is also often used to describe adore many gods
For Jews, at that time how today, homosexuality something deals with ritual cleanness, and by not at all something with sexuality, covered to these both written places. These verses are parts of the Cremonial law and not of the moral law what becomes also clear in the context of these both chapters. It was, primarily, a directive for priests and levites, and apparently also possibly for their family members (at least also for the tribe of Judaa).
Lesbian sexuality isn't mentioned here what is maybe due to the fact that the priests and levites who did in the temple or somewhere else their service were only men, or / and at the fact that women pour no male seed/sperm, as a man who poured his seed it was applied as impure, and had to clean himself ritually, before he might enter the temple. Since that pour of a seed was called pour from life (see Leviticus15:16-18).

Christians believe that though the death and resurrection of Christ this ancient jewish law is fulfilled.

 

[Watchmen]

Yes. From my article "Homosexuality and Bible" (quick translation):

If we look, nevertheless, once the word "abomination" whether there can maybe be a clue to us.
Into Hebrew language this word is translated with "Toevah" what means so much that God a little abhors, something which is impure.
Therefore a ritual impurity and no moral sin is meant with it what one would have to translate with Hebrew "Zimah". The Septuaginta translate this word right-wise with the word "bdelygma" what describes a ritual impurity, and not with "anomia" what stands for violation and sin. Thus a woman who got menstuation is also called abominate and impure, and she mightn't enter the temple in this condition, however, so she wasn't sinful. Toevah is also often used to describe adore many gods
For Jews, at that time how today, homosexuality something deals with ritual cleanness, and by not at all something with sexuality, covered to these both written places. These verses are parts of the Cremonial law and not of the moral law what becomes also clear in the context of these both chapters. It was, primarily, a directive for priests and levites, and apparently also possibly for their family members (at least also for the tribe of Judaa).
Lesbian sexuality isn't mentioned here what is maybe due to the fact that the priests and levites who did in the temple or somewhere else their service were only men, or / and at the fact that women pour no male seed/sperm, as a man who poured his seed it was applied as impure, and had to clean himself ritually, before he might enter the temple. Since that pour of a seed was called pour from life (see Leviticus15:16-18).

Christians believe that though the death and resurrection of Christ this ancient jewish law is fulfilled.

And yet Christians still use the Old Testament...why could that be????

 

[Witch of Hope]

And yet Christians still use the Old Testament...why could that be????

NOT ALL Christians, only the Christians who are marked as fundamentalist. Mormons, JW, Focus on the Family to mention only some. Oh yes, and then still this unspeakable "club 700" of Pat Robertson. In the documentary film "For the Bible tells it so" it is explained wonderfully. And also the documentary film "8-The Mormon Proposition" should contain a passage to how to me was said. Very briefly, it is the wrong Bible understanding of these Christians who provides for misinformation. Even their prejudices. No lesbian soccer player will pounce in the team's shower on another woman, and also no gay soccer player with men. A gay teacher will entice children not to the homosexuality, or even rape. Pederasts do this, not homosexuals. The Catholic church had three popes who were homosexual. The West wasn't destroyed. Many American and European actors, authors, politicians and economic bosses were or are homosexual. Has America or Europe been destroyed so? Used please your mind, and not your prejudices, fundamentalist Christians!

 

[LittleNipper]

For what?