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Religious Nationalism in the US

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
It's not an actual university. It has no academic accreditation.

"Prager University is not an accredited academic institution and does not offer certifications or diplomas." :handpointleft: From it's own website

About Us | PragerU

In other words, it's only as credible as the next Joe Smoke with any opinion.

It's also why they, legally, have to use PragerU while giving public presentation. Otherwise, it's usually just more clickbait.
Hogwarts is more of a school than PragerU
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
:) That's ok... I have some things against actual universities.
How so traditionally American anti-intellectual of you.
Truly, as America and Australia show us it is vastly better to colonize a place with criminals than those who take Christianity very seriously. As history shows us, the criminals didn't shun education like the zealous Christians have.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
How so traditionally American anti-intellectual of you.
Truly, as America and Australia show us it is vastly better to colonize a place with criminals than those who take Christianity very seriously. As history shows us, the criminals didn't shun education like the zealous Christians have.
the pilgrims we criminals?

did you know that most of the early universities were Christian?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
the pilgrims we criminals?

did you know that most of the early universities were Christian?
No, they weren't. They were Christian zealots. Australia though began as a penal colony. To my best knowledge it doesn't have the history at scorning, attacking, scoffing, downplaying education and finding it problematic, especially into today's times, and lacks the characteristic and feature of being anti-intellectual.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
No, they weren't. They were Christian zealots. Australia though began as a penal colony. To my best knowledge it doesn't have the history at scorning, attacking, scoffing, downplaying education and finding it problematic, especially into today's times, and lacks the characteristic and feature of being anti-intellectual.
you sound angry.

Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally. Harvard and Yale (originally Puritan) and Princeton (originally Presbyterian) once had rich Christian histories.

additionally:
History of Christian Universities In The United States [Infographic]
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
you sound angry.

Most of the colleges in the United States that started over 300 years ago were Bible-proclaiming schools originally. Harvard and Yale (originally Puritan) and Princeton (originally Presbyterian) once had rich Christian histories.

additionally:
History of Christian Universities In The United States [Infographic]
Notice how those colleges tend to be clustered around certain areas?
Anti-intellectualism - Wikipedia
In The Quest for Cosmic Justice (2001), the economist Thomas Sowell said that anti-intellectualism in the U.S. began in the early Colonial era,
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Therefore, an academic education in the Greco–Roman classics was largely perceived as of impractical value and the bookish scholar deemed an unprofitable occupation.
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In 2017, a Pew Research Center poll revealed that a majority of American Republicans thought colleges and universities have a negative impact on the United States,
https://www.studioatao.org/post/understanding-anti-intellectualism-in-the-u-s
Anti-intellectualism is often misunderstood as mere hostility towards acquiring knowledge, or the byproduct of the lack of a formal education. However, this definition ignores how anti-intellectualism has been wielded by those with power, as a means to uphold the ideas and systems that benefit them, and thus enabling the continued expansion of these attitudes through society over time.
Anti-intellectualism in American Life - Wikipedia
In considering the historic tension between access to education and excellence in education, Hofstadter argued that both anti-intellectualism and utilitarianism were consequences, in part, of the democratization of knowledge. Moreover, he saw these themes as historically embedded in America's national fabric, resulting from its colonial European and evangelical Protestant heritage. He contended that evangelical American Protestantism's anti-intellectual tradition valued the spirit over intellectual rigor.[5]
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Hofstadter described anti-intellectualism as “resentment of the life of the mind, and those who are considered to represent it; and a disposition to constantly minimize the value of that life.”[6]

Also, he described the term as a view that "intellectuals...are pretentious, conceited... and snobbish; and very likely immoral, dangerous, and subversive ... The plain sense of the common man is an altogether adequate substitute for, if not actually much superior to, formal knowledge and expertise."[7]
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Notice that I was correct that the original universities that promoted education was universities.

Incidentally, schools were at churches.
I'm talking of larger national trends. Of course there are even Ivy League universities here. Big whoop! America still has to import brain power. That is because of American Anti-Intellectualism, and tied directly to that is the unique madhouse of American Evangelicism. This is a group that not only lacks the scholarly and learned clergy traditions, they've been ok with clergy with no Bible training and even those who haven't read it. Even when I was school I wasn't encouraged to do anything more than finishing what I had to because college primes people to leave the Church.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
I'm talking of larger national trends. Of course there are even Ivy League universities here. Big whoop! America still has to import brain power. That is because of American Anti-Intellectualism, and tied directly to that is the unique madhouse of American Evangelicism. This is a group that not only lacks the scholarly and learned clergy traditions, they've been ok with clergy with no Bible training and even those who haven't read it. Even when I was school I wasn't encouraged to do anything more than finishing what I had to because college primes people to leave the Church.

No, if we are talking about national trends, looking at these Universities, it would be linked to liberal thought.

Not sure I understand what you were taught, where you were taught or why you are trying to say.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
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1213

Well-Known Member
...Antifa fights for human rights, albeit in a way that matches the people they oppose: facists.

For what rights exactly?

I think it is incredibly stupid to think fascism could be won by acting like fascists.

Are you a facist yourself? Why are you critical of those who push back against facists?

Why do you think they are against fascists? How do you define a fascist?
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
'More than half of Republicans support Christian nationalism, according to a new survey"

This sounds like a terrible terrible position for the US to currently be in. We are not and have never been a "Christian Nation".

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/14/1156...rt-christian-nationalism-according-to-a-new-s


Do you support religious nationalism? If so, why? If not, why?

First of all, the majority of settlers to the New World; North, South and Central America, came from Europe. Germany, England, Spain, Netherlands, France, Portugal, Italy, etc. The blacks and Indians were converted to Christianity.

Europe had been a Christian Continent since the 4th century AD, when the Roman empire made Christianity its official religion. How can you say the USA was never a Christian Nation, when connections to Christian ancestry, from the inception of America, was always and is still is the majority of Americans? Jesus preached love your neighbor and he was the fulfillment of law. This meant one was not married to the past rules, so rapid change was much easier, with the chaos of change, softened by loving your neighbor. It was a recipe for American success and Leadership.

Part of the possible confusion was that Christianity became unified as the Catholic Church, starting about the 4th century AD after a merger between Christianity and Rome. Before the merger there was seven major Christian Churches. This mega Roman Christian Church lasted about 1000 years and started to divide about the 14th century AD.

The seven divine kingdoms of the Holy Roman Empire; Catholic Church, wanted more power in the Church. The led to Martin Luther and the Protestant Movement in Germany. The Church of England, would also separate to became more secular; he wanted to legalize divorce in his Church, with the King becoming sort of the Pope for his country's Christianity. This led to even further internal division, within England and other European countries, into smaller and smaller sects; English Puritans or German Amish.

Religious freedom in America was designed for all the divided sub groups of Christianity, coming from Europe, so they were able to freely worship as they saw fit, and not be forced to become part of any of the Big Box religions, unless you wanted to.

The idea of the Government, not able force any a Big Box model on all, was written into the first sentence of the first Amendment; Government shall not establish any religion. The Amendment goes on to allow freedom of speech, the right to assemble and freedom of the Press, to make sure of religious freedom and to make sure the Government could not use underhanded tricks to establish any religion.

It was also designed to allow the evolution of the divided outward Church. Religion become less about external man worshipping as a herd, and more about the inner Christian man, who could commune with the spirit, anywhere the spirit moved him. Jesus left behind a comforter or the Holy Spirit who was deigned for the individual, and not just an external power structure. Although many still find their spirit with such places. All are protected so all can share of the spirit.
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
the pilgrims we criminals?
In a sense they were as they ended up taking Amerindian land and then began killing many of them.

BTW, scalping actually didn't originate with the Indians but with the whites, as they could receive pay by having proof they killed Indians, and that proof was the scalps. The Indians pick up on this and began to do the same, which is why I have no hair left on top. :emojconfused:
 
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