Religious Nationalism in the US

[Augustus]

BTW, scalping actually didn't originate with the Indians but with the whites, as they could receive pay by having proof they killed Indians, and that proof was the scalps. The Indians pick up on this and began to do the same,

This is not true.

Scalping long predates the colonial era in both the old and new worlds.

Indians had been scalping other indians for many centuries before they saw a white person.

 

[Colt]

Material exists. What theists call "spirit" isn't known to exist. There's no problem with thinkers being honest about this.


The inside looking out? What is being on the inside supposed to mean? Are you a mortal that has special powers and abilities? Are you talking about magic, or your imagination?


Yet you believers can't manage to explain that any such thing is real versus imagined. It's like some guy claiming he saw Bigfoot, and when asked to describe what he saw he admits it was too dark to see. Then he blames others for not seeing Bigfoot.


Given no gods are known to exist outside of stories in books that is a weak standard. It is quite subjective as well given the many differnet versions of God out there. Your same God directed the 9-11 hijackers to fly planes into buildings, according to them. That's where your satndard gets us, anything goes.


Ah, the "I am special and you are not" excuse to not defend your claims with evidence and a coherent argument. There is your low standard at work. It's a bad bluff. The fact is you are making extraordinary religious claims that have no basis in reality, and that's because there is no evidence behind them.

Spirit is known to exist among those who experience it.

Inside looking out would be the observations of the spirit born mind.

Human self will got us 9-11. Men forcing their will onto their idea of God. Atheist do the same kinds of things.

The existence of religion is the proof of the existence of faith in reality.

It’s not a matter of being special, it’s a matter of an open mind verses stubborn obstinacy.

 

[1213]

...The freedom of speech issue for the far right is about them getting away with defamation and slander, and spreading false information. And as far as guns and abortion, we all know what that means: more killing and less freedom for women.

That is misinformation. However, freedom of speech means that people should be allowed to speak even "misinformation". I think Biden's regime is evil, because it goes against the constitution and the freedom of speech. Only reason why tyrants always do so is that they can't defend their thoughts with logic and reason.

... let everyone who is legally able to cast votes, and so on with many liberal ideas that expand freedom for marginalized groups.

Now that it seem any one can vote in US elections, maybe I also participate, even though I don't live there.

...More socialism, and paid for with taxes (theft by your calim above).

Why do you call it socialism? It can be done also with free payments and private owned services, not with tyrannical socialist ordering everyone to obey.

you support schooling, but do you support biased subjects being taught, ...

How are math, reading and writing skills biased subjects?

 

[1213]

Europeans, by and large, tend to care about others, not just themselves. They love what they get for their taxes, because it makes people happy, healthy and safe. They aren't selfish and individualistic like Americans are. So why are the other developed nations the happiest, healthiest and safest, and we end up down on the list? They love their "socialism."

I disagree with that. Socialists are the most selfish, because they think others must pay or give services for them for nothing. People who like to be served and not give anything to others, love socialism. People who want to take care of themselves and help those who are helpless, are not socialists and don't love socialism and for them it is in no way good.

 

[1213]

It's mostly around sexuality that they try to limit rights. They want to limit sex ed, birth control, prostitution and gay marriage.

Limiting sex ed is not in my opinion limiting human rights. Forcing sex ed to everyone is. And if you mean with birth control abortions, allowing abortions is limiting baby's right to live. If person doesn't want to have babies, he can for example choose not to have sex, no one is restricting that.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

That is misinformation. However, freedom of speech means that people should be allowed to speak even "misinformation". I think Biden's regime is evil, because it goes against the constitution and the freedom of speech. Only reason why tyrants always do so is that they can't defend their thoughts with logic and reason.

Freedom of speech Constitutionally means that the government can't suppress speech. Do you have examples of this?

I disagree with that. Socialists are the most selfish, because they think others must pay or give services for them for nothing. People who like to be served and not give anything to others, love socialism. People who want to take care of themselves and help those who are helpless, are not socialists and don't love socialism and for them it is in no way good.

Socialism, as the term is used in modern American politics, is the community contributing to the whole so that everyone benefits. This is selfish, it is literally why humans are social creatures.

 

[Kenny]

What question? Jesus said when a man looks upon a woman with lust he has already committed adultery in his heart.
That is prudish and shameful, unhealthy and good advice for no one.

1) Talking to Jewish people
2) Correcting their viewpoint on true righteousness really looks like if you use God as the benchmark
3) Which validates why Jesus came because mercy is what God wanted not judgment

You might want to ask more questions.

 

[Kenny]

Limiting sex ed is not in my opinion limiting human rights. Forcing sex ed to everyone is. And if you mean with birth control abortions, allowing abortions is limiting baby's right to live. If person doesn't want to have babies, he can for example choose not to have sex, no one is restricting that.

Seems very logical.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yup. You don't have to actually have your own kids to understand. There's many ways to have kids in your life without doing anything to make one. It makes me wonder if they'd apply enough follow through to say parents who adopt don't understand?

Ohhh, that's an interesting thought. I wonder ...

 

[SkepticThinker]

Jesus proved life after death, but anti-christs try to debunk that for obvious reasons.

Obvious reasons like there is no good evidence to believe that. And when we ask believers for that evidence, we get nothing. Or appeals to faith. Or preaching.

Materialists try to enjoin people to their pessimistic despair.

You should get out more. Your view of people outside of your religious clique is rather dark and dreary. And inaccurate.

I'll stand by for you to tell me I'm triggered now.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I have no problem with human anatomy and function that is age appropriate:

This isn't sex education:
dalton-parents-enraged-over-masturbation-videos-for-1st-graders

Not a public school.

Florida high school teacher, 39, resigns after being accused of making comments about sex | Daily Mail Online

Not a part of the curriculum.

Georgia parent reading sexual content from library at school board meeting is cut off: 'Inappropriate'

Not sure what the point of this one is.

Seriously Kenny, you need some better news sources.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You showed it exist and what some of the content is. That's not enough to establish it's pornographic.

The Bible is a good starting point, where there is nothing healthy about sex to be learned. It gets so bad that Paul says it's best to be like him and just not have it, but if not then get married so your sex doesn't offend god. That's terrible. All the control over sex? That's pretty bad too.
Want to keep denying this is a Christian problem? Dante made an entire circle of Hell just for the lustful, which is considered a sin. And that too just is not healthy.

Apparently you do as you as you are objecting to adults being shown things adults are allowed to see.

Society has an interest in this, especially in regards to disease control and taxes in regards to unwanted pregnancies. Parents themselves rarely have sex talks with their kids, abstinence only programs fail, and people should be empowered to make informed and confident decision, and empowered in knowing what healthy and normal looks like.

Don't you ever get tired if being called out over such rubbish? Do I support human trafficking? Are you ****ing serious?

Okay, this is a bit off topic, but for some reason I thought of it when I was reading your post ...

I remember way back when I was eleven and I got my period. Now, I had a great mom, who sat me down and educated me and all that. And also, starting in the fourth and fifth grades (lucky for me because I got my period in 6th grade), we learned about that stuff at school (Gasp! I know!). So anyway. when my mom sat me down to talk about it, she showed me this pamphlet thing her mother had given her back in the 1960's when she got her first period. I'm telling you, this thing was the most useless uninformative "information pamphlet" I've ever seen in my life. The entire thing was set up in a question and answer format. So, it would say like

Q: How do I attach my sanitary pad? [Back then they were big contraption-like things].
A: ASK MOTHER.

Q:What is going on in my body?
A: ASK MOTHER.

Q: How long does this last?
A: ASK MOTHER.

I think you get the idea. What a waste of ink. We got a good laugh at it, but that's about it.

I mean, is this the kind of useless thing people would prefer over comprehensive sex ed?

 

[Colt]

Obvious reasons like there is no good evidence to believe that. And when we ask believers for that evidence, we get nothing. Or appeals to faith. Or preaching.


You should get out more. Your view of people outside of your religious clique is rather dark and dreary. And inaccurate.

I'll stand by for you to tell me I'm triggered now.

Atheists know that spirituality is subjective, so they demand "proofs" and when none is forthcoming, they claim victory!

Get out more? How boring must an atheist's life be that they have nothing better to do than join religious forums to heckle people of faith?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I disagree with that. Socialists are the most selfish, because they think others must pay or give services for them for nothing. People who like to be served and not give anything to others, love socialism. People who want to take care of themselves and help those who are helpless, are not socialists and don't love socialism and for them it is in no way good.

Soooo, the people who care about making sure EVERYONE is taken care of are selfish, and those who care about themselves first are the selfless ones?
Ummm, what?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I mean, is this the kind of useless thing people would prefer over comprehensive sex ed?

Apparently, even though it reminded me of that scene from Alien: Resurrection when that guy's asking "what's inside me" after he was impregnated by the Facehugger and people kind of ignore him, so then he starts screaming "whats in ****ing side me!?" to get some answers.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Limiting sex ed is not in my opinion limiting human rights. Forcing sex ed to everyone is. And if you mean with birth control abortions, allowing abortions is limiting baby's right to live. If person doesn't want to have babies, he can for example choose not to have sex, no one is restricting that.

How is providing sex ed in public schools putting a limit on human rights, exactly?

What is a "birth control abortion?"

Fetuses don't have a right to life. The fully grown and developed woman is the one who has the right to life and the right to bodily autonomy.

Human beings have sex. That is a fact of life. Equipping people with the education and tools they need to do so in a well-informed, safe and healthy way throughout their lives is not only beneficial to individuals, but to society at large. Abstinence-only school programs have been a demonstrably abysmal failure that has resulted in an increase in teen pregnancies and rates of sexually transmitted diseases. That is not good for the individual or for society as a whole.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

1) Talking to Jewish people
2) Correcting their viewpoint on true righteousness really looks like if you use God as the benchmark
3) Which validates why Jesus came because mercy is what God wanted not judgment

You might want to ask more questions.

Your god doesn't want judgement? He's apparently planning a day where he's going to resurrect the dead the judge all of us.
Amd, yeah, Jews have some incredible strict laws about sex with heinous and cruel punishments for violating them (like killing women who are believed to not be virgins on their wedding night).
Saying these people and those people don't get to go to the Kingdom because I disprove their of their consensual sex just doesn't have any place in proper morality. Such judgements are cruel and something Christians do.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Atheists know that spirituality is subjective, so they demand "proofs" and when none is forthcoming, they claim victory!

Who claimed victory? What are you talking about?

I have no idea what each theist even means when they tell me about spirits. They can't even define them, when asked. And I have asked many times.

I don't ask for "proofs." I ask for evidence. I can't even get a coherent definition of "spirit" in the first place, never mind any evidence.

Get out more? How boring must an atheist's life be that they have nothing better to do than join religious forums to heckle people of faith?

Yes, you should meet some other people who aren't in your religious clique. We aren't miserable people. In fact, I quite enjoy life.

You know who sounds miserable, bored and angry? You.

If you feel like you're being heckled, think of this, I respond to posts in kind, in the manner in which others speak (type) to me. So if you feel attacked or heckled, maybe ponder that over for a bit.

 

[metis]

This is not true.

Scalping long predates the colonial era in both the old and new worlds.

Indians had been scalping other indians for many centuries before they saw a white person.

I got this from "The American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World" by David Stannard, which heavily documents this, and many other atrocities done to the indigenous.

Yes, various bands could be quite brutal towards their enemies, no doubt, and I could mention some of them if you're interested as I studied this in my anthropology studies, including spending much time on numerous reservations here and in the northern plains.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Apparently, even though it reminded me of that scene from Alien: Resurrection when that guy's asking "what's inside me" after he was impregnated by the Facehugger and people kind of ignore him, so then he starts screaming "whats in ****ing side me!?" to get some answers.

That works too.
Man, I love those movies.