Religious Nationalism in the US

[Shadow Wolf]

Hate is in their words, it's my opinion, whine to someone else!

I'm not whining, I'm snickering a bit. I'm not the one making such harsh judgements and assumptions, and I'm not bound in anyway to policies against bearing false witness and making a spectacle of myself.

 

[Colt]

I'm not whining, I'm snickering a bit. I'm not the one making such harsh judgements and assumptions, and I'm not bound in anyway to policies against bearing false witness and making a spectacle of myself.

Its telling that you are blind to the "harsh judgments" in the writings of your own compatriots.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its telling that you are blind to the "harsh judgments" in the writings of your compatriots.

Calling people a hater is harsh. They've not called you names, haven't mocked and ridiculed, only offered rebuttal to your beliefs in public forum that is in a debate thread. That isn't hate.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Its telling that you are blind to the "harsh judgments" in the writings of your own compatriots.

Please feel free to point them out.

 

[Colt]

Calling people a hater is harsh. They've not called you names, haven't mocked and ridiculed, only offered rebuttal to your beliefs in public forum that is in a debate thread. That isn't hate.

F1 has been posting his hatred for Christians (which you hatefully call a cult) as well as conservatives for a long time on this forum.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

F1 has been posting his hatred for Christians (which you hatefully call a cult) as well as conservatives for a long time on this forum.

It's not hate. I was in it, I know how it goes, and indeed in checks off almost all the criteria of a cult. That's the main denominations most Christians belong to. From the small church Bible thumping preachers to the megachurched televangelists, it's an ocean of venemous snakes and it mostly gets overlooked and excused because it's religion.

 

[Kenny]

Not a public school.


Not a part of the curriculum.


Not sure what the point of this one is.

Seriously Kenny, you need some better news sources.

I suppose we could just close our eyes and pretend it isn't happening.

 

[Kenny]

Your god doesn't want judgement? He's apparently planning a day where he's going to resurrect the dead the judge all of us.
Amd, yeah, Jews have some incredible strict laws about sex with heinous and cruel punishments for violating them (like killing women who are believed to not be virgins on their wedding night).
Saying these people and those people don't get to go to the Kingdom because I disprove their of their consensual sex just doesn't have any place in proper morality. Such judgements are cruel and something Christians do.

I didn't see any questions which is probably why you haven't understood. Mary asked questions.

 

[F1fan]

F1 has been posting his hatred for Christians (which you hatefully call a cult) as well as conservatives for a long time on this forum.

Could it be that you are merely internalizing my criticisms? It’s not unusual for theists to feel personally attacked and hurt when their beliefs are scrutinized.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I expressed an opinion, f1fan has a lot of hatred in his writings as well as false accusations about conservatives.

Many folks who used to be conservative Christian did not have good experiences. It takes a while to get over the hurt and trauma that it has inflicted.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn't see any questions which is probably why you haven't understood. Mary asked questions.

I'm not a dog to bark at your behest.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

No, they weren't. They were Christian zealots. Australia though began as a penal colony. To my best knowledge it doesn't have the history at scorning, attacking, scoffing, downplaying education and finding it problematic, especially into today's times, and lacks the characteristic and feature of being anti-intellectual.

They dumped their white trash in America too. Sometimes you had a choice between hanging and Virginia. Some chose hanging.

 

[Augustus]

I got this from "The American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World" by David Stannard, which heavily documents this, and many other atrocities done to the indigenous.

There archaeological evidence going back nearly a millennium prior to this.

One significant pre-Columbian example:

The Crow Creek site is a massive village on the Missouri River in south-central South Dakota. The Initial Coalescent component covers 7.3 ha (18 acres) and is enclosed by a large, bastioned fortification ditch. The size of the village and the presence of the ditch suggest intergroup hostilities. In 1978 excavations at the northwest end of the fortificaton ditch recovered the remains of at least 486 individuals dated toAD 1325. Analysis of the skeletal material indicates that men, women, and children were present. Many were scalped, decapitated, and dismembered, and there are other indications of violence. Chewing on many of the elements demonstrates that the remains were exposed above ground for some period before burial. The Crow Creek crania are metrically most similar to those from St. Helena and early Arikara sites, suggesting affinities with those groups. Crow Creek has important implications for understanding intergroup relations and warfare in the Missouri River trench during the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/2052546.1993.11931655

Yes, various bands could be quite brutal towards their enemies, no doubt, and I could mention some of them if you're interested as I studied this in my anthropology studies, including spending much time on numerous reservations here and in the northern plains.

That sounds very interesting.

I don’t have a particularly wide knowledge of this area of history, but took a bit of an interest and have read a few things recently.

I was surprised how violent many tribes were, especially towards captured foes. Also quite how violent, on both sides, European expansion into the South/West were.

Also interesting that expansion was at times an imperial competition between groups, for example, Spanish and Comanche, with both groups trying to conquer and control new land. In this the Spanish were often the de facto vassals.

Strangely, at times, both groups were dependent on each other despite being enemies and would need to pause hostilities to trade. Or when they tried to form longer peaces then it had to be done based more on adapting to Comanche customs than getting them to adopt European ones. Then some local leader trying to explain to someone in Spain who is uninterested in understanding local realities, or a clueless new official arriving determined to show the 'heathens' who is boss, usually with disastrous consequences.

The Comanche Empire by Pekka Hämäläinen is a good book about it.

While it doesn't really show the most positive aspects of human nature, the clash and interaction of cultures is certainly interesting history.

 

[1213]

Then you really don't believe in what Jesus taught, which should be clear in his "Sermon On the Mount". He wasn't just talking about charity, btw, as he reinforced the necessity of not negating the work of the Great Sanhedrin that mandated help for the poor and the widows, and this shows up in his Parable of the Widow's Mite where he praised her for giving beyond what was required.

I think the difference between disciples of Jesus and socialists is this:
Disciples of Jesus want to help others freely, because they think it is good. And they don't want to be burden to others.
Socialists think other people must help them, give them everything, while they are not ready to do anything for others, nor to themselves.

Both may have the idea of helping others, the former just think others should be for them, while disciples of Jesus think they should take care of themselves and then be able to help also others.

 

[1213]

How is providing sex ed in public schools putting a limit on human rights, exactly?

People should have right not to be part of other peoples sexual ideas.

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Fetuses don't have a right to life. .

I think that is sick and evil One could as well say that you don't have right to life.

 

[1213]

Soooo, the people who care about making sure EVERYONE is taken care of are selfish...

Socialists never think about making sure everyone is taken care of. Otherwise they would not support forcing others to pay taxes for their benefit.

 

[1213]

Freedom of speech Constitutionally means that the government can't suppress speech. Do you have examples of this?

For example how government controlled what can be said in Twitter.

Under Government Pressure, Twitter Suppressed Truthful Speech About COVID-19 (reason.com)

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Biden had been in office for a year when Putin invaded. That requires difficult gymnastics for you? Are you a part of the everyone gets a trophy in gym class generation?

I too can connect two unrelated things and make unfounded claims about them.

Cone back to reality.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

For example how government controlled what can be said in Twitter.

Under Government Pressure, Twitter Suppressed Truthful Speech About COVID-19 (reason.com)

It doesn't quite seem the FBI forced Twitter, but more like they asked Twitter to follow their own moderation rules. Your article even says this:

"When the Biden administration pressured Twitter and other platforms to crack down more aggressively on "misinformation," it argued that it was merely asking those companies to enforce their own policies. But given the power that the federal government has to make life difficult for Twitter et al. through castigation, regulation, litigation, and legislation, the administration's requests were tantamount to commands."

The article (unless I missed it) didn't give any clear examples of FBI pressure beyond examples of Twitter's own moderation. Do you mind pointing out specific examples? Like, is there a link to the actual exchange between the FBI and Twitter?

The article also makes it clear that this was occurring before the Biden administration:

"Even before Joe Biden was elected president and his administration began publicly and privately demanding that social media companies suppress speech it viewed as a threat to public health, the company's guidelines deferred to the positions taken by government agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)."

I also think it's important to take into account the impact of the coronavirus on individuals and the country and how misinformation makes this impact on the "general welfare" worse.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I think the difference between disciples of Jesus and socialists is this:
Disciples of Jesus want to help others freely, because they think it is good. And they don't want to be burden to others.
Socialists think other people must help them, give them everything, while they are not ready to do anything for others, nor to themselves.

Both may have the idea of helping others, the former just think others should be for them, while disciples of Jesus think they should take care of themselves and then be able to help also others.

The Sabbath and Jubilee Year laws from the OT seem to be "musts."