Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Or all three could repent and cease to be hypocrites.
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Religious war is coming to America....
- Thread starter Barrackubus
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Just the Jews and Christians doing so would be sufficient.
If and when some finally do, the Muslims will do much to help fallow the fields of all the weeds so that a new worthwhile crop can be cultivated.
God has a very useful and beneficial purpose in Islam being just the way they are, for the time being.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Wow, that's seriously bigoted.
I think you should rethink your use of "Love and Truth" as a religious label.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Y'all peas in a pod, having a ******* contest into the wind.
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Old Scratch
Active Member
Some delicious irony this is!
Gjallarhorn
N'yog-Sothep
Viva la revolucion, eh?
jasonwill2
Well-Known Member
Israel ain't innocent either. I don't think I can right off the bat buy this statement as it's too generalizing. I wouldn't say it's Islam vs Jews, though some people make it out to be that. It's governments against governments as far as I can tell. Though the tensions don't help though... but I wouldn't think of it as a religiously motivated conflict, though that is certainly an element of the tensions.
I just don't understand why Islamic countrys think the United States is a Christian nation. Many of us were raised with Christian values and believe in the golden rule to treat others the way you would have them treat you.
Some parts of the world only know us by our political faces that supposedly represent the United States.
The United States is the most diverse country on the planet when it comes to religion or lack of. You have a choice here.
If the Muslims want to take over maybe they should start at the local bar.
They could walk in with thier white gowns trying to portray an outwards appearance of purity in the eyes of the lord and walk up to the first biker they saw and tell him he could not drink that beer or finish that pork sandwich under penalty of death.
That should get an aggressive debate started
Unfortunately, it seems inevitable to me.
It didn't have to be, but people will be people.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Asking Jews and Christians to have fidelity to their God wouldn't be in accordance with "Love and Truth"?
Pointing out that some extremely unsavory consequences are headed their way if they don't is a bigoted thing to do?
Has it occurred to you that both of these groups of people have made covenants that have terms and conditions to them?
If the contract says:
If you do A then B will happen.
And, if B is something that is really unpleasant, am I out of line to suggest they stop doing A or B is going to happen?
Very kind of you to stand idly by and contribute a dash or two of mockery.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Calling them weeds that need to be cleared for your garden is bigoted. Telling them you know "their" God better than they do is bigoted. Rewriting their divine covenants to suit your purposes is bigoted.
Not to mention the whole implication of genocide if they don't "see the light."
Furthermore, B is your own sick threat.
None of that is compatible with love or truth.
Jews and Christians have made covenants with a God who speaks of them in terms of wheat and tares. That's His garden, not mine.
If you don't like that, then perhaps you should advocate they not enter into such covenants instead of lashing out at me when I speak of them. Fair enough?
That is "our" God. And, I have the right to call my brothers and sisters of the covenant to repentance. We are eachother's keeper. Calling my brothers to repentance is LOVING.
Your argument here is vile.
What proof do you have to back up this disgusting slur?
I didn't make that up. It's in the covenant. If you become salt that loses its savor you are good for nothing but to be trodden under foot.
I am calling for sobriety and repentance so that the consequences clearly stated can be averted.
More baseless slur. It's terms and conditions of the covenant.
So I should just say "Eat, drink and be merry!".
Your ignorance and hubris is among the most repulsive I have yet encountered here.
Before you come back at me with more of your bleeding heart nonsense. Here's some of the fine print for you to ponder on.
Leviticus 26
13 I am the LORD your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright.
14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.
18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.
19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:
20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.
21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.
22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.
23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;
24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.
25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.
27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;
28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.
29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.
30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.
31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.
32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.
33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.
34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.
35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.
36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.
37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.
38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.
39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
Now, perhaps you will think twice before you say I made up what I mentioned here.
Here is what I am advocating people of the Covenant WAKE UP TO.
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
Here's what I am hopeful will happen before more awful stuff happens:
42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
I don't care whether you base your insults on Scriptural metaphors or South Park. You are responsible for your statements.
No.
I think the word you're looking for is "hypocritical." We both know you wouldn't want that kind of "love" directed at you and yours.
The fact that you pretend to be an authority on their covenants, and further that you think said covenants entail conversion to yours. Vile indeed.
You're calling for conversion by the sword.
More lame attempts to dodge. Your ignorance is painfully obvious.
Guess what? Jews and Christians are not defined by Islamic theology. You can fanwank all you want, none of your interpretations carry any authority outside your bubble.
You owe me a new irony meter.
I don't read mindless regurgitation, especially when it's a blatant attempt to intimidate me with a wall of text.
And I should be held responsible for them in the intent for which they were given.
Cry me a river then.
Don't speak for me. You don't know me, and it seems likely you never can or shall.
If I am violating covenants unknowingly or I'm taking something lightly that I shouldn't I appreciate being reminded so that I can restore my integrity.
It seems you don't consider the covenants Jews and Christians have entered into of any more relevance or substance than South Park so a call to fidelity to them means nothing to you, oh, wait, it means I am a hateful bigot to you.
Terror is hanging over the people of the State of Israel and the USA and elsewhere because they are infidels to their covenants. Can't you see that the purpose of Islam is to carry out the punitive measures of the covenant if violated?
No! I'm calling for those who are in a covenant with God to wake up and realize the source of the terror hanging over them is rooted in the fine print of their own covenant.
I am not calling them to convert and I'm not holding any sword.
I'm pointing to the simple black and white terms of the covenant they already converted themself to, at least allegedly.
This statement right his is a lame attempt to dodge and evidence of your own ignorance.
How about a substantive reply instead of ignorant assumptions on your part?
It was worthless to start with.
Especially if it exposes you for the ignorant and presumptuous numbskull you are being here in this thread.
No surprise. You likely rather delight in corrupting and perverting Jews and Christians to dispense with integrity to their covenants with their/my God.
Again, people speak on God's behalf and yet God never speaks for itself. It's almost like it has nothing to say at the present moment. It is content basking within itself and emanating existence. It has no frame of reference for human affairs. Evil is a human matter. God is too busy simply being in a state of equanimity and peace. Perhaps instead of speaking for God we should try to imitate that state of contentment and tranquility even within the most divisive and conflictive periods of life.
Can anyone demonstrate that God does not exist in this form? If it is just as likely as any other presentation of God, then I have no reason to alter my view.
Can anyone demonstrate that God does not exist in this form? If it is just as likely as any other presentation of God, then I have no reason to alter my view.
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All your nice flowery talk about the cosmos is rather irrelevant.
The God with whom Jews and Christians have covenanted has not hidden the terms of that covenant.
It is not rocket science either. If they despise and turn away from that which they have covenanted to uphold, terror shall hang over them and if they do not repent and mend their ways, all that God said would happen begins to happen.
If you are not a Jew or Christian, the last thing you should be trying to do is influence them to favor alternative things that would have them violating their covenants. Israel in the flesh (the Jews) and Israel in the spirit (Christianity) are like a bride to their husband. They are in a covenant marriage with him. If you try and pick the locks of Jehovah's bride and get her to join in some hanky-panky infidelity with you, then you are bringing upon yourselves the sin of adultery. And, the last time I checked, that one was a fatal deal for both the bride and the lock picker.
Now, so that people don't get wild ideas about me. I'M JUST SAYING.
Yes, you are just saying. Again, all I read are the words of man. I have not heard God speak nor write anything. It's always the word of man. There is no logical reason why God wouldn't speak to the common man in the same manner it would speak to supposed prophets. I can only conclude that God is silent and represents something beyond mere words uttered by man. Perhaps we speak too much and listen too little?
When you have finished reading the first 5 books of Moses, which are Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy, then you will have listened to what the God of Moses had to say that established the Mosaic Covenant for Israel. Reading the Qur'aan would also be a really good idea too.
This is where you will find all of the answers to what is going on today between Jews, Christians and Islam.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, the domain in which God lives is as Spirit within the collective minds of men. How else can such a God speak except through men? And, not just any man, but those men who God anoints to have authority to speak words that are binding.
Actually, I have read the five books of Moses and the Qu'ran. It would be foolish of me to engage in modern society without, at least, a basic understanding of the main religious influences interacting within it. I believe that both the Bible and the Qu'ran contain wisdom, albeit human wisdom and prone to error. Neither source is inerrant. All human wisdom requires refinement over time and careful contemplation of initial impressions.
What is occurring today among Jews, Christians, and Muslims is a product of the human imagination and potential, hence it can be transcended and amended. Religion was made for mankind. Mankind wasn't created for religion.