Republican Election plan to subvert the Presidential Election.

[Audie]

Now which one has the poorest taste?

You will need to refresh my memory of what that would be. All I can recall was Clinton being careless about e-mails, rather than the active undermining of the democratic system by an entire political party.

But I'm not in the US so I may be unaware of what you are referring to.

They were talking impeachment before even took office...you might look up rather than me writing

"Active undermining...."?

That is the current complaint from the right v the left.

 

[Audie]

Now which one has the poorest taste? (Assuming love blossoms in their shared cell)

Yuck

 

[Mock Turtle]

They were talking impeachment before even took office...you might look up rather than me writing

"Active undermining...."?

That is the current complaint from the right v the left.

And perhaps you should research mail-voting, and what Trump has done to target such - because it most likely would be Democrats doing so - being the more sensible (during a pandemic).

 

[Audie]

And perhaps you should research mail-voting, and what Trump has done to target such - because it most likely would be Democrats doing so - being the more sensible (during a pandemic).

Like I am a Trump fan

 

[Audie]

Very.

Not very, if you need me to tell you

 

[exchemist]

They were talking impeachment before even took office...you might look up rather than me writing

"Active undermining...."?

That is the current complaint from the right v the left.

No, I can't look things up unless you tell me what you are talking about.

Who was talking impeachment of whom, before who took office, and on what grounds?

 

[Stevicus]

Where it will end is that there is no way the Supreme Court is going to end up overturning the result, whatever the politics of its members.

The Republicans know that perfectly well (even if Trump, as a crooked real estate dealer, may think he has "bought" the judges.) The game is to string out the uncertainty for as long as they can, to undermine Biden's legitimacy for as long as possible to and avoid him getting any of the transitional assistance that is customary. They just want him to fail as a president, even if it means working to destroy faith in American democracy.

It is pretty close to treason, actually.

Treason may be overstating it a bit. They're using legalese and loopholes to make their fight, which (for right or wrong) is still legal and even considered acceptable in our current system. If the system didn't allow for that, then every lawyer and businessperson in America would have to give up their careers and go into ditch-digging. The most people can say is that it's bad form, poor sportsmanship, etc. Both sides claim to be following the Constitution while saying it's the other side trying to subvert it.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Like I am a Trump fan

I'm glad to hear that. Anyone who has been defending the orange blob is close to being the first on my ignore list here on RF - for likely contributing to the nonsense and that might eventually lead to some nasty conflict in the near future. I've watched politics in the USA from afar I suppose since JFK's short term, and this has to go down as its lowest moment.

 

[exchemist]

Treason may be overstating it a bit. They're using legalese and loopholes to make their fight, which (for right or wrong) is still legal and even considered acceptable in our current system. If the system didn't allow for that, then every lawyer and businessperson in America would have to give up their careers and go into ditch-digging. The most people can say is that it's bad form, poor sportsmanship, etc. Both sides claim to be following the Constitution while saying it's the other side trying to subvert it.

Yeah but my point is they know they stand no chance of overturning the result. Their insistence on all these utterly futile recounts proves that. Recounts never alter the number by more than a few hundred votes and in all cases the margin is well into thousands.

So what's the point of this carry-on? It can only be to undermine the legitimacy of Biden, by fomenting distrust in the American electoral system. This is undermining the system of democracy at its roots.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Not very, if you need me to tell you

^ ignore-list

 

[Audie]

I'm glad to hear that. Anyone who has been defending the orange blob is close to being the first on my ignore list here on RF - for likely contributing to the nonsense and that might eventually lead to some nasty conflict in the near future. I've watched politics in the USA from afar I suppose since JFK's short term, and this has to go down as its lowest moment.

Defending the t, and observing that the left is a thin improvement if any at all, are not the same thing.

 

[PureX]

As happened with George W. Bush, when the validity of the electoral process is in question, the decision goes to the Congress, and if they cannot agree with a 2/3 majority (which they never would) then to the Supreme Court.

Fearing a loss, the republicans have been doing everything they can to invalidate the election, and send the decision to the Supreme Court, hoping to get Trump appointed, if he couldn't get elected. As was Bush.

That our politicians are this corrupt is bad enough, but that so many citizens think this is acceptable behavior is truly horrible.

 

[Stevicus]

Yeah but my point is they know they stand no chance of overturning the result. Their insistence on all these utterly futile recounts proves that. Recounts never alter the number by more than a few hundred votes and in all cases the margin is well into thousands.

So what's the point of this carry-on? It can only be to undermine the legitimacy of Biden, by undermining faith in the American electoral system. This is undermining the system of democracy at its roots.

I think the system of democracy has weathered many storms in the past. It will weather this one. Officially, the states have not certified the results yet. Some states haven't even finished counting ballots. Let Trump have his day in court, as that's part of our system, too.

It's also true that news agencies have no official standing when it comes to certifying election results. Because of this, it hasn't gotten to the point of undermining the system of democracy - not just yet anyway. If people need further reassurances that the system of democracy is still sound and legitimate, then it may mean that the system will have to take a few extra steps in order to provide that reassurance. If they're in too much of a hurry that they decide they want to shut the process down and say "that's it," then that could also undermine the democratic system.

My advice to people would be to just relax and wait. Wait until all the states officially certify the election, which should be by the end of this month. Then, the Electoral College will meet on December 14. If Trump and his support base are still screaming "fraud" and "fake news" by that time, then we might have a real problem on our hands.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm glad to hear that. Anyone who has been defending the orange blob is close to being the first on my ignore list here on RF - for likely contributing to the nonsense and that might eventually lead to some nasty conflict in the near future.

Sore winner syndrome?
Great jump'n Jeebus....Trump has lost...he'll soon be out.
No need to be shunning opposition.

 

[Sunstone]

Judd Legum, who is fast becoming one of the most influential investigative journalists in the country, recently pointed out that the money Mr. Trump is soliciting from his followers to support his court cases is actually being diverted to pay off his campaign debts. Mr. Legum speculates that Mr. Trump is highly unlikely to come even close to conceding the election so long as his scam is raking in millions of dollars -- because conceding it would bring about an end to the money he's getting.

 

[Stevicus]

Defending the t, and observing that the left is a thin improvement if any at all, are not the same thing.

I actually agree with you on this point, as I have also criticized some parts of the left, even if I'm philosophically mostly on the left. Many of those who voted for Biden were likely holding their noses while doing so, and I think many of us also expected that there would be tremendous squabbling and legal fights in the aftermath of the election.

I recognized back in the 1980s that the U.S. political system was pretty much a joke. But if that's what the people want, then that's what they get. It's also why I'm not too sympathetic when people complain about the consequences - from either side of the spectrum.

 

[Goddess Kit]

On that note, the conservative party has been a joke for many generations.

 

[Audie]

On that note, the conservative party has been a joke for many generations.

Leftists would be a joke if they were funny.

 

[Goddess Kit]

Good thing liberals value sanity over humor.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Judd Legum, who is fast becoming one of the most influential investigative journalists in the country, recently pointed out that the money Mr. Trump is soliciting from his followers to support his court cases is actually being diverted to pay off his campaign debts. Mr. Legum speculates that Mr. Trump is highly unlikely to come even close to conceding the election so long as his scam is raking in millions of dollars -- because conceding it would bring about an end to the money he's getting.

From abc news:

Trump fundraising for new 'Save America' PAC while still contesting election results​

After Election Day, the Trump campaign launched an aggressive fundraising effort that includes relentless texts and emails to supporters soliciting donations for an "Official Election Defense Fund." But the fine print of the Trump campaign's donations page reveals that "60% of each contribution first to Save America, up to $5,000/$5,000," the president's newly established PAC.

The fine print initially stated that the same percentage of funds was going toward paying down the campaign's debt, but the detailed fine print says that after up to $5,000 of the first 60% of the contribution goes to Save America, the rest of that 60%, up to $2,800/$5,000, goes to the Trump campaign's "recount account."

The other 40% of each contribution goes to the RNC's "operating account, up to a maximum of $35,000/$15,000," and any additional funds go to the RNC's "Legal Proceedings account or the Headquarters account, up to a maximum of $213,000/$90,000," according to the fine print.​

Trump is many things - all remarkably noxious - but he is first and foremost a narcissistic fraud. Watching his base clamor for more opportunities to be defrauded is rather pathetic.