Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If it actually happened successfully more than once, I'm sure you don't mind telling people what exactly that is and when?
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Republicans consider removing Biden from state ballots. A new fad is born.
- Thread starter Twilight Hue
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Yep. It's called constitutional democracy. Although, nothing is infallible.Democrats will win anyway.
They have found an infallible system...as we saw in 2020.
Soandso
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It is what it is. If you want to downplay these events, that's on you. You can shift the goal posts to fake stipulations that only you and those making excuses bring up that exist outside of the actual definition of what the word means. Ok, sure. If you add enough stipulations and extra definitions to everything you can make up any excuses you like until they are acceptable for you
I'm not interested in engaging in that
For the record:
List of coups and coup attempts - Wikipedia
"In another variation, a ruler who came to power through legal means may try to stay in power through illegal means, thus preventing the next legal ruler from taking power. These events are called self coups."
And would you look at that, Trump and Jan 6 has an entry
- 2021 United States Capitol attack: President Donald Trump refused to concede to Joe Biden after losing the 2020 United States presidential election, leading, for the first time in at least 220 years, to a failure of the peaceful transition of power.[92][93][94] Supporters of the president stormed the Capitol building during the counting of electoral votes, and temporarily halted the process. Early the next morning the counting resumed and Joe Biden was confirmed as president, being inaugurated two weeks later.
- As early as January 2021, several European security officials described the events as an attempted coup.[95] Federal Judge David O Carter ruled that Trump's efforts to overturn the election were a "coup in search of a legal theory".[92] In a televised hearing on 9 June 2022, Congressman Bennie Thompson, Chair of the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack, described Trump's campaign to overturn the 2021 presidential election as an attempted coup.[96] On 4 January 2021, Steve Bannon stated on The War Room podcast, while discussing the planning for the upcoming events and speech by Trump on 6 January at The Ellipse, said: "Live from our nation's capital, you're in the field headquarters of one of the small divisions of the bloodless coup."[97][98]
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well that's what the court dates are for to determine all that.It is what it is. If you want to downplay these events, that's on you. You can shift the goal posts to fake stipulations that only you and those making excuses bring up that exist outside of the actual definition of what the word means. Ok, sure. If you add enough stipulations and extra definitions to everything you can make up any excuses you like until they are acceptable for you
I'm not interested in engaging in that
For the record:
List of coups and coup attempts - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
"In another variation, a ruler who came to power through legal means may try to stay in power through illegal means, thus preventing the next legal ruler from taking power. These events are called self coups."
And would you look at that, Trump and Jan 6 has an entry
- 2021 United States Capitol attack: President Donald Trump refused to concede to Joe Biden after losing the 2020 United States presidential election, leading, for the first time in at least 220 years, to a failure of the peaceful transition of power.[92][93][94] Supporters of the president stormed the Capitol building during the counting of electoral votes, and temporarily halted the process. Early the next morning the counting resumed and Joe Biden was confirmed as president, being inaugurated two weeks later.
- As early as January 2021, several European security officials described the events as an attempted coup.[95] Federal Judge David O Carter ruled that Trump's efforts to overturn the election were a "coup in search of a legal theory".[92] In a televised hearing on 9 June 2022, Congressman Bennie Thompson, Chair of the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack, described Trump's campaign to overturn the 2021 presidential election as an attempted coup.[96] On 4 January 2021, Steve Bannon stated on The War Room podcast, while discussing the planning for the upcoming events and speech by Trump on 6 January at The Ellipse, said: "Live from our nation's capital, you're in the field headquarters of one of the small divisions of the bloodless coup."[97][98]
By the way everyone else , save for a few stolid holdouts, has referred to it correctly as an insurrection.
Of course, unless you also want to think and include Biden, as with myself, is making fake stipulations and moving goal post on the matter. Be my guest. Enjoy yourself in your delusion that it's a coup.
For the record, including from Bidens own lips what it is....
President Biden Says Former President Trump Supported an Insurrection
Speaking briefly to reporters upon his arrival in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, President Biden says it will be up to the courts to determine if the 14th Amendment applies to former President Trump, but he says it's "self-evident" that his predecessor "supported an insurrection."
The Democratic Party has always defended the sacredness of Capitol Hill and its offices, but has never made any public statement about two young men having unromantic sex in a hearing room. In an important symbol of American democracy, where senators work in Commissions of Inquiry.
That makes the Dems not reliable, and their credibility is below zero.
You cannot condemn the events of January 6 2020 and pretend nothing happened last weeks.
Because double standards is not something we praise. I know many American dems are so impudent, that they don't care.
I do care.
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Soandso
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This has to be one of the weirdest whataboutisms I've ever seen. What does an attempted overthrow of democracy have to do with two guys having at it? Speaking for myself, I don't care that this happened at a government building. I care that it even happened at all. The building was just the place it happened at
It's the exact opposite: if it had happened in a private room, like a bathroom or something, nobody would have cared.
But that was a hearing room. A very important place.
Soandso
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Meh. If you say so
Soandso
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Meh. If you say so
"The Colorado Supreme Court decision was over 120 pages, and I read every word of every page, and I understood every single word because I’ve studied the issue. The Colorado Supreme Court addressed every single state law question and every single federal constitutional question as to the meaning and interpretation of the 14th Amendment. I know for a fact that it resolved each and every one of those questions as required not just under state law, but, more importantly, under federal constitutional law. That’s why I said that the opinion is unassailable in every respect. It is a masterful judicial opinion, and based on the objective law of the 14th, I believe that the Supreme Court should — and I believe it will — affirm the Colorado Supreme Court if given the opportunity."
-J. Michael Luttig... conservative legal scholar
www.politico.com
-J. Michael Luttig... conservative legal scholar
‘The Opposite of Politics’: A Conservative Legal Scholar Says Kicking Trump Off the Ballot Is ‘Unassailable’
J. Michael Luttig explains why he thinks the 14th Amendment should prevent Trump from running for president again.
Subduction Zone
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Once again, that is not the case with the 14th Amendment. Why do you think that is needed? It is not a criminal prosecution. The rules are not the same. Did you forget the Arnold example already? It is the same concept. If you participated in an insurrection you cannot run for President. No trial needed, but it does need to be proven to the judge. If you are from another country you cannot run for President. No trial needed. But you would have to prove it to a judge.
Subduction Zone
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Where were you on January 6th?Well that's what the court dates are for to determine all that.
By the way everyone else , save for a few stolid holdouts, has referred to it correctly as an insurrection.
Of course, unless you also want to think and include Biden, as with myself, is making fake stipulations and moving goal post on the matter. Be my guest. Enjoy yourself in your delusion that it's a coup.
For the record, including from Bidens own lips what it is....
President Biden Says Former President Trump Supported an Insurrection
Speaking briefly to reporters upon his arrival in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, President Biden says it will be up to the courts to determine if the 14th Amendment applies to former President Trump, but he says it's "self-evident" that his predecessor "supported an insurrection."www.c-span.org
I've heard some people suggest in the past, this does appear to be shaping into a judicial and procedural "civil cold war," in a manner of speaking. Other states controlled by Republicans may try to remove Biden's name from the ballot. In this case, they're ostensibly citing Biden's failure to secure the border as their basis for doing so. Of course, the Supreme Court would have to be the final arbiter here, so they'll make the call one way or the other. Until they do, all this talk from the peanut gallery is meaningless.
Dude. They built a gallows in front of the Capitol and ran through the building chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE!"
It was a coup attempt. A ****ty coup attempt, but definitely a coup attempt. They committed insurrection, spurred on by Trump. He lied to them about how the election was illegally stolen, then told them to march to the Capitol to do something about it.
Most coup leaders have the sense to wait until they have a reasonable chance of success, but good sense was never Trump’s strong suit.
The 14th Amendment speaks to insurrections across the board. It doesn't have an asterisk saying "... but if an insurrection is led and carried out by fools, you get a mulligan."
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Everyone including President Biden says it was an insurrection. This pathological fixation on coup is incredibly funny.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well there's two states right off the bat already talking about it, and those states are Florida and Texas, so it looks like the possibility Biden may be off the ballot in multiple States now.
Clearly Democrats love creating their own monsters.
Since when has the DNC considered the presidential primaries, anyway?
Remember when I mentioned Democrats create their own monsters?
Welcome to the newest political fad to hit the scene!
The fine art of removing one's political opponents from state ballots. Convictions no longer required.
I suggest everyone now becomes only a write in candidate for all future elections henceforth , then nobody will have to deal with that pesky and irritating ballot list anymore.
For those of you thinking that a criminal conviction should be required:
Imagine yourself as a legislator in the post-Civil War era. Thousands of government officials violated their oaths of office to participate in a rebellion. You and the rest of the legislature want to make sure that these rebels are ineligible for federal office.
Do you really think the framers of this amendment would have been okay with letting traitors get elected/appointed and usurp the government for who-knows-how-long until thousands of criminal trials were completed?
Imagine yourself as a legislator in the post-Civil War era. Thousands of government officials violated their oaths of office to participate in a rebellion. You and the rest of the legislature want to make sure that these rebels are ineligible for federal office.
Do you really think the framers of this amendment would have been okay with letting traitors get elected/appointed and usurp the government for who-knows-how-long until thousands of criminal trials were completed?
Well, it's clear that Texas and Florida are doing this in retaliation, but since it's their state, then their government will act as they see fit. Until they're overruled by a higher authority.
I don't know who's creating whose monsters here, but it's turning into King Kong vs. Godzilla. (I liked the original, but I avoided the remake. The current political version is turning into a nightmare.)