Republicans consider removing Biden from state ballots. A new fad is born.

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Clearly Democrats love creating their own monsters.

You keep on saying stuff like this, but it's not clear what you mean.

Which is it?

• You think that Biden also engaged in insurrection, but the Republicans are willing to overlook it as long as the Democrats don't challenge Trump, or
• You don't think that Biden engaged in insurrection, but the Republicans are willing to engage in baseless (and illegal) tampering with the electoral process if the Democrats challenge Trump.

I mean, Biden either engaged in insurrection or he didn't. Which do you think happened?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Everyone including President Biden says it was an insurrection. This pathological fixation on coup is incredibly funny.

That was because it was. That it failed miserably does not change that fact. If a bank robber tries to rob a gun with a note and a rubber gun you do not let him go because he has a First Amendment right to write down what he wants and the threat was not real because the gun was rubber. You still put him away. And once again there is precedent of no need for a trial when enforcing the 14th Amendment. The judge only has to be convinced that the man did the act he was charged of. This is not a criminal trial so your objections about double jeopardy and other nonsense do not apply.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If it actually happened successfully more than once, I'm sure you don't mind telling people what exactly that is and when?

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It happened in Missouri near the end of the Civil War, Wilmington 1898, Election Riot of 1874, and obviously the Revolutionary War lacked any English support.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And once again there is precedent of no need for a trial when enforcing the 14th Amendment. The judge only has to be convinced that the man did the act he was charged of. This is not a criminal trial so your objections about double jeopardy and other nonsense do not apply.

I'm not sure that a judge even needs to be involved.

If someone who met the test in the 14th Amendment did manage to get on the ballot, I'm pretty sure that they could get dumped either at the state level when the votes are tallied and electoral college members are chosen (since only valid votes count, and a vote for an ineligible candidate would not be valid) or when the EC votes are counted by Congress by this method:

January 6, 2025—Congress counts the electoral votes
Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. The Vice President, as President of the Senate, presides over the count and announces the results of the Electoral College vote. The President of the Senate then declares which persons, if any, have been elected President and Vice President of the United States.

If any objections to the electoral votes are made, they must be submitted in writing and be signed by at least one-fifth of the members of the House and one-fifth of the Senators. If objections are presented, the House and Senate withdraw to their respective chambers to consider the merits of the objection(s) under procedures set out in Federal law. Only two grounds for objection are acceptable: that the electors of the State were not lawfully certified under a Certificate of Ascertainment, or that the vote of one or more electors has not been regularly given.

Electoral College Timeline of Events

Under the 23rd Amendment of the Constitution, the District of Columbia is allocated three electors and treated like a State for purposes of the Electoral College. In the following discussion, the term “State” also refers to the District of Columbia, and the term “Executive” also refers to State...

www.archives.gov

I presume that a vote by an elector for an ineligible person would be a "vote that has not been regularly given."

... so in either case, it would still end up with an elected assembly to decide whether votes for Trump are valid (i.e. whether Trump committed insurrection as per the 14th Amendment).

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I never thought of a bunch of Yahoo's running around a building creating havoc and god knows what, is the equivalent requisite for forcefully seizing actual dominating power and control of an entire country without any type of military or police force to back them up for the duration of their new rule over all the land.

The coup attempt was definitely ****ty, there's no doubt about that.

What makes it insurrection is that they:

• Attempted to intimidate Congress into going along with Trump's attempt to have the election thrown out and alternate EC members be installed in place of the real ones, then
• When it became obvious that Pence (presiding over the process as part of his VP responsibilities) wouldn't cooperate with the coup, they tried to track him down to kill him so that someone more agreeable to the coup plan could take his place overseeing the count of the EC votes.

This is still insurrection despite the fact that it was unsuccessful.

 

[Soandso]

Everyone including President Biden says it was an insurrection. This pathological fixation on coup is incredibly funny.

Self-coup - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Notable events described as attempted self-coupsedit​

• 
  Guatemala: President Jorge Serrano Elías (May 25–June 5, 1993)[33]
• 
  Indonesia: President Abdurrahman Wahid (July 1–25, 2001)[34]
• 
  Malaysia: Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad (February 23–March 1, 2020)[35]
• 
  United States: President Donald Trump (January 6, 2021)[36]
• 
  Peru: President Pedro Castillo (December 7, 2022)[37]
• 
  Israel: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu (Ongoing events, since he assumed office on December 29, 2022)[38][39][40][41][42][43][44]
• 
  Guatemala: President Alejandro Giammattei (Sept 1–present, 2023)[45]

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Remember when I mentioned Democrats create their own monsters?

This will be yet another humiliating failure for the Republicans, just like their impotent investigations attempting to imitate the J6 Committee's devastating report, and their equally impotent attempt to impeach Biden. What we see repeatedly are the Republicans failures. The Democrats best them every time, often just by sitting back and watching them self-destruct as when they take 15 ballots to elect a Speaker and then fire him in less that a year. Contrast that with Pelosi's Speakership.

The Democrats have removed Trump from the primary ballot in Colorado (for now), which has been a huge slap in Trump's face despite it being a meaningless gesture. Colorado will go to Biden with or without Trump on its ballots. And it will be yet another slap and another instance of their impotence when they fail to have Biden removed from any ballots.

This is the party of failure. McCarthy failed. Santos failed. Tuberville failed. Comer is failing. Jordan is failing. The RNC is failing.

 

[David1967]

Valid reasons are not any excuse to subvert due process for the purpose of eliminating one's opponent on the basis of opinion.

If they had waited for a formal criminal conviction, then this wouldn't even be an issue.

You can't just remove a person on the opinion one dosent like the guy and /or an opportunity taken to just get rid of one's opponent for political advantage.

That's what despots and dictatorships do.

This. Well said.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Everyone including President Biden says it was an insurrection.

Because that's the term in the Constitution and criminal law. They're trying to avoid any ambiguity about whether a crime was committed, and about whether Trump is eligible for office.

Remember that we're talking about people who try to argue that "preserve, protect and defend" doesn't imply "support." They need a bit of hand-holding.

This pathological fixation on coup is incredibly funny.

Coup attempt.

"Putsch" also works and has a retro feel. You could go with that if you want.

 

[We Never Know]

Republicans Team Up to Remove Biden From State Ballots: 'Unfair, Abuse of Power'

townhall.com

Remember when I mentioned Democrats create their own monsters?

Welcome to the newest political fad to hit the scene!

The fine art of removing one's political opponents from state ballots. Convictions no longer required.

I suggest everyone now becomes only a write in candidate for all future elections henceforth , then nobody will have to deal with that pesky and irritating ballot list anymore.

In a dumbass party war nothing suprises me. Tit for tat I reckon.

The people need to wake up and realize they don't matter, only the party's do.

 

[LuisDantas]

Oh boy. Someone ought to make a huge sale of oversized shoes and red nose balls for the Republican Party pronto!

 

[LuisDantas]

Democrats will win anyway.
They have found an infallible system...as we saw in 2020.

That is libel. And of a rather grotesque form, no less.

 

[We Never Know]

The coup attempt was definitely ****ty, there's no doubt about that.

What makes it insurrection is that they:

• Attempted to intimidate Congress into going along with Trump's attempt to have the election thrown out and alternate EC members be installed in place of the real ones, then
• When it became obvious that Pence (presiding over the process as part of his VP responsibilities) wouldn't cooperate with the coup, they tried to track him down to kill him so that someone more agreeable to the coup plan could take his place overseeing the count of the EC votes.

This is still insurrection despite the fact that it was unsuccessful.

If I tell someone to jump off a bridge and they do, its not my fault they are stupid.
They make their own choices.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is libel. And of a rather grotesque form, no less.

Oh no, she is quite right. The Democrats found how to get more people to vote for Biden than voted for Trump. Even more important they found out how to get those voters out and voting in battleground states. I am still confused as to why some think that it is cheating to get people to vote. Both sides do it. They make promises, they appeal to emotions, sometimes they even make rational arguments. I guess if one is a sore loser the other side always cheated.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If I tell someone to jump off a bridge and they do, its not my fault they are stupid.
They make their own choices.

If you do that you can still be blamed for the person's death. Just remember that. For example most states have laws on their books for cyber harassment:

State Laws & Online Harassment

Most states have laws addressing at least some aspects of “cyber” harassment, whether related to improper use of devices or harassing behaviors.

onlineharassmentfieldmanual.pen.org

And that is just using words against someone. Here Trump used his words to get people to break the law for him. He is still to blame. The simple fact is that if he did not urge his puppets on using lies and false claims about being with them January 6 would not ever have happened.

 

[We Never Know]

If you do that you can still be blamed for the person's death. Just remember that. For example most states have laws on their books for cyber harassment:

State Laws & Online Harassment

Most states have laws addressing at least some aspects of “cyber” harassment, whether related to improper use of devices or harassing behaviors.

onlineharassmentfieldmanual.pen.org

And that is just using words against someone. Here Trump used his words to get people to break the law for him. He is still to blame. The simple fact is that if he did not urge his puppets on using lies and false claims about being with them January 6 would not ever have happened.

Oh please


Telling someone to go jump off a bridge is neither bullying nor cyber harassment lol

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh please


Telling someone to go jump off a bridge is neither bullying nor cyber harassment lol

But Trump did not tell anyone to jump off of a bridge. He urged people to march on Congress and "fight like hell".

I am amazed at how often you get the use of the facepalm emoji wrong.

 

[We Never Know]

But Trump did not tell anyone to jump off of a bridge. He urged people to march on Congress and "fight like hell".

I am amazed at how often you get the use of the facepalm emoji wrong.

"Trump did not tell anyone to jump off of a bridge. He urged people to march on Congress and "fight like hell".

Jump off a bridge or go fight congress. They made their own choices.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"Trump did not tell anyone to jump off of a bridge. He urged people to march on Congress and "fight like hell".

Jump off a bridge or go fight congress. They made their own choices.

And you ignore the fact that they would not have done so if he had not told them to do that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Oh boy. Someone ought to make a huge sale of oversized shoes and red nose balls for the Republican Party pronto!

Of course with the Neo Democrats driving the clown car with the misshapen wheels.