Resurrection of Christ

[Francine]

Me? I say that Jesus came in the flesh. I don't say Jesus was God, but I do not doubt His existence in any way. Nor do I doubt He was resurrected in the Spirit and walked amongst men after His death on the cross.

His original body was raised up, he was not a spirit. Spirits don't eat fish or honey. He said:

"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.

 

[Popeyesays]

His original body was raised up, he was not a spirit. Spirits don't eat fish or honey. He said:

"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."

And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.

That does not mean that it was the same body. The Spirit manifested Itself as God desired it to do.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Francine]

That does not mean that it was the same body. The Spirit manifested Itself as God desired it to do.

Scott, when Jesus, by whom all things were made that were made, says a spirit does not have flesh and bones like he had, I'm inclined to believe Jesus. And Occam's razor ("Do not multiply entities needlessly") makes me inclined to believe that if Jesus had a body with flesh and bones, he used his original one rather than made a new one. It took three decades to make his first one.

 

[richardlowellt]

Those of you who are religious say, Jesus died for our sins, but he didn't die did he? If he arose from the dead, he is living again, kind of a joke don't you think? It certainly makes his sacrafice for all of us, I bit of a sham. Jesus did not die for our sins, he may have sufferd, but did not die, well maybe for a few days, Once again not much of a sacrafice if you ask me>

 

[Popeyesays]

Scott, when Jesus, by whom all things were made that were made, says a spirit does not have flesh and bones like he had, I'm inclined to believe Jesus. And Occam's razor ("Do not multiply entities needlessly") makes me inclined to believe that if Jesus had a body with flesh and bones, he used his original one rather than made a new one. It took three decades to make his first one.

Let's look in context at Luke (which is the only Gospel which relates this in this way)

24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

(King James Bible, Luke)

It's obvious that the word spirit is used in verse 37 it is used in the sense of ghost or apparition. I agree He was no ghost.

Regards,
Scott

 

[logician]

Scott, when Jesus, by whom all things were made that were made, says a spirit does not have flesh and bones like he had, I'm inclined to believe Jesus. And Occam's razor ("Do not multiply entities needlessly") makes me inclined to believe that if Jesus had a body with flesh and bones, he used his original one rather than made a new one. It took three decades to make his first one.

I think we can take this more as a myth than as some sort of reality.

 

[arthra]

I was thinking that there are possible ways we can look at the Resurrection of Christ..

I believe it was a spiritual resurrection and not as some believe a physical, literal one.

The dsiciples were disheartened and in hiding...believing that the Cause was lost after the crucifixion... but they later realized and took heart and began preaching the Gospel. After Jesus was martyred they took resolution and rededicated themselves... So the church was revived and the understanding that the church was the "body" of Christ is well known even today.

Also the disciples could have had visionary experiences like the one recorded on the Mount of Transfiguration where Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus before the crucifixion, this was so real to Peter for one that he wanted to build tabernacles over Jesus, Moses and Elijah.

- Art

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I think we can take this more as a myth than as some sort of reality.

Can you just sort of come up with a standard response that states that everything is a myth and figure out some program so you computer will then insert it everywhere? you will free up a lot of your time that way. Maybe you could go empty the dishwasher or take out the trash or do something useful.

 

[Popeyesays]

Well, myth is an expression of reality. It's highly symbolic, parablized, extracted, metaphoric, but at its roots it is trying to deal with reality.

Regards,
Scott

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Well, myth is an expression of reality. It's highly symbolic, parablized, extracted, metaphoric, but at its roots it is trying to deal with reality.

Regards,
Scott

Denial is an expression of reality as well.

 

[Popeyesays]

Denial is an expression of reality as well.

I think it's rather an expression of decision rather than reality.

Regards,

Scott

 

[logician]

Can you just sort of come up with a standard response that states that everything is a myth and figure out some program so you computer will then insert it everywhere? you will free up a lot of your time that way. Maybe you could go empty the dishwasher or take out the trash or do something useful.

Trying to keep it real.

 

[gnostic]

If Jesus is God, then why would he need to be resurrected?

 

[Popeyesays]

If Jesus is God, then why would he need to be resurrected?

Or how could He possibly die in the first place. Who remembers the old Disney TV movie where the father is possessed by a dead witch and floats around the room alternately screaming "Boogity, Boogity" and saying "Just kidding".

I doubt God having to resort to expressing "Just Kidding".

edit: I just remembered the title "Mr. Boogity"

Regards,
Scott

 

[sandandfoam]

I think we can take this more as a myth than as some sort of reality.

If we take something from it I don't think it matters whether the story is literal or a myth.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Trying to keep it real.

no you're trying to make it mythical.

 

[logician]

no you're trying to make it mythical.

The myth has already been made, pointing it out is making things real.

 

[gnostic]

Or how could He possibly die in the first place.

Well, that's not so strange, I suppose.

Polytheistic religions have deities gods being killed (eg. Osiris or Pan) or neutralised and disposed off (eg. Kronos replacing his father Uranos, and Zeus replacing his father Kronos; in which the older gods become ghosts, almost forgot and no longer worshipped).

Hindu gods' avatars reappeared in different incarnations.

The Norse gods, Balder and Hod, are reborn after Ragnarok; I supposed this resurrection.

It is just that Jesus phenomena, in regarding to resurrection, is very strange, considering it old Judaic root, especially for those who claim he just one aspect of god, instead of separate entity to god, ie. son of God.

 

[Popeyesays]

Well, that's not so strange, I suppose.

Polytheistic religions have deities gods being killed (eg. Osiris or Pan) or neutralised and disposed off (eg. Kronos replacing his father Uranos, and Zeus replacing his father Kronos; in which the older gods become ghosts, almost forgot and no longer worshipped).

Hindu gods' avatars reappeared in different incarnations.

The Norse gods, Balder and Hod, are reborn after Ragnarok; I supposed this resurrection.

It is just that Jesus phenomena, in regarding to resurrection, is very strange, considering it old Judaic root, especially for those who claim he just one aspect of god, instead of separate entity to god, ie. son of God.

I think the polytheistic gods don't really apply to this discussion. A God Who created all that is, and does not allow partners or equals cannot "die" in any way meaningful to humans. God is eternal. At best men are immortal--they have a beginning, even if they have not got an end.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Muffled]

Understand that I think there was a physical presence of Jesus after His death. I just have no reason to believe it was the body that died less than forty-eight hours before.

Whatever physical presence was seen was a manifestation of the Spirit.

Regards,
Scott

Spiritual manifestations are great and this is how God operates in Heaven and could operate on earth if it pleased him but a spiritual manifestation can't be touched or eat fish. Jesus after His resurrection could be touched and was able to eat fish.