Resurrection of Christ

[Popeyesays]

YOu can believe in any god you want, I'm just saying that god concepts are superfluous(not necessary) in an infinite mutliverse structure. Or are you insistent we all believe in some god for some unseen universal reason?

You are free to decide what to believe, in this universe and any other. If there is a Creator, why should He be dependent upon Creation for ANYTHING?

Regards,
Scott

 

[Muffled]

I understand where you are going with this, but.....

a) Do you see Jesus as THE God?

b) Or as a separate entity, thus a son of God?

If the latter (b), then I can understand his death and resurrection.

But if you think he is the former (a), then I don't understand why a god needs to die (popeyesays question) and be resurrected.

From what I have quoted from you, you seemed to see God and Son to be 2 different beings, so I am guessing you are in the b) category. (But do correct me if I am wrong.)

a) I see Jesus as God in the flesh. Jesus left the body before it died but that is only a technicality. I think it is reasonable to say that Jesus died. God doesn't need anything but He is love and actions on the cross are for our benfit. The return of Jesus to a resurrected and changed body is for our benefit as well.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

a) I see Jesus as God in the flesh. Jesus left the body before it died but that is only a technicality. I think it is reasonable to say that Jesus died. God doesn't need anything but He is love and actions on the cross are for our benfit. The return of Jesus to a resurrected and changed body is for our benefit as well.

Only his flesh needed to die. It was the blood that was the atonement.

 

[Popeyesays]

Only his flesh needed to die. It was the blood that was the atonement.

Then it was not essential for Him to die on the cross. All flesh dies, it is the order of this contingent universe.

Regards,
Scott

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Then it was not essential for Him to die on the cross. All flesh dies, it is the order of this contingent universe.

Regards,
Scott

Not according to the Bible. the need for Christ to be born of God was to avoid the curse of death that passed on all of his descendants.

 

[Popeyesays]

Not according to the Bible. the need for Christ to be born of God was to avoid the curse of death that passed on all of his descendants.

All of WHOSE descendants?

Regards,
Scott

 

[sandy whitelinger]

All of WHOSE descendants?

Regards,
Scott

Whoops, my bad. Adam's.

 

[Popeyesays]

Whoops, my bad. Adam's.

Adam, himself, died.

Regards,
Scott

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Adam, himself, died.

Regards,
Scott

Yes, he did, and all of his descendants were cited to die hence Christ needed different genetics, ergo, God being His father. This meant that since Christ was not under the curse of death and He did not sin that His death could be substituted for ours.

 

[Popeyesays]

Yes, he did, and all of his descendants were cited to die hence Christ needed different genetics, ergo, God being His father. This meant that since Christ was not under the curse of death and He did not sin that His death could be substituted for ours.

Christ was a man, born of a woman. He seemed to be born, grew up and matured. In other words He was subject to all that men were subject. In the end He died.

Now that is the flesh, the Spirit is different adn the Spirit has never been subject to death.

Regards,
Scott

 

[lew0049]

Christ was a man, born of a woman. He seemed to be born, grew up and matured. In other words He was subject to all that men were subject. In the end He died.

Now that is the flesh, the Spirit is different adn the Spirit has never been subject to death.

Regards,
Scott

So essentially what you are saying is that miracles/supernatural forces and/or intervention does not happen?

 

[Popeyesays]

So essentially what you are saying is that miracles/supernatural forces and/or intervention does not happen?

Miracles DO happen. The most significant of those miracles are the ones which transform the heart one heart at a time.

God intervenes? Not as a rule. Sending Jesus and granting Him a revelation are intervention enough. We are swimming in an ocean of God's grace and mercy and that is an intervention as well.

I believe God is the most natural of forces, we are not equipped to perceive or measure that force.

Regards,

Scott

 

[logician]

Miracles are simply events that have no current explanation (if true at all), it does not mean there IS no explanation, or that one is not forthcoming.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Christ was a man, born of a woman. He seemed to be born, grew up and matured. In other words He was subject to all that men were subject. In the end He died.

Now that is the flesh, the Spirit is different adn the Spirit has never been subject to death.

Regards,
Scott

You seem to wish to ignore that Christ was not a man as we are but as Adam was before the fall and He was not subject to death because of sin.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Miracles are simply events that have no current explanation (if true at all), it does not mean there IS no explanation, or that one is not forthcoming.

Only in some cases. Miracles are also extraordinary events manifesting divine intervention in human affairs.

 

[Jack89]

Jesus Christ did not die on the cross. He was unconscious and got up after 3 days. He eventually died after 40 days. There is an ancient Hindu story that says a young husband was rekindled into life by the God of Death after his bride's stout intercession. In both, cases of near-death experience interpreted as miracle to convey higher spiritual truths.

Where may i ask is your evidence for this??there is Roman and jewish records of his death eg Cornelius Tacitus in his Annals, xv. 44: Christus ... was executed at the hands of the procurator Pontious Pilate or Lucian of Samosata: (Christ was) the man who was crucified in Palestine, neither of these were or ever became christians. The is evidence from jewish scolars aswel The Amoa "Ulla" (Ulla was a disciple of Youchanan and lived in Palestine at the end of the 1st century) adds: "And do you suppose that for (Yeshu of Nazareth - Jesus) there was any right of appeal? He was a beguiler, and the Merciful One hath said: "Thou shalt not spare neither shalt thou conceal him." It is otherwise with Yeshu, for He was near to the civil authority.
so clearly wasnt just unconcious

 

[Francine]

You seem to wish to ignore that Christ was not a man as we are but as Adam was before the fall and He was not subject to death because of sin.

If Adam was not subject to death because of sin, why did God create a Tree of Life for him and Even to eat from? It would have been redundant, and it certainly was a danger to Adam and Eve after they fell, because it could make them immortal in their fallen state.

"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever..."

 

[Popeyesays]

You seem to wish to ignore that Christ was not a man as we are but as Adam was before the fall and He was not subject to death because of sin.

Actually by measurement Adam must be entirely greater on an order of magnitude than Jesus Christ. After all Jesus had one human parent--Adam had none.

If Adam is alive today, where is He?

Regards,
Scott

 

[sandy whitelinger]

If Adam was not subject to death because of sin, why did God create a Tree of Life for him and Even to eat from? It would have been redundant, and it certainly was a danger to Adam and Eve after they fell, because it could make them immortal in their fallen state.

"Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever..."

Adam was not immortal. He needed the Tree of Life in order to live forever. Before he ate the fruit he was not subject to death because of sin (which is what I stated). God also did not want man to have the knowledge of good and evil and live forever, hence no Tree of Life.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Actually by measurement Adam must be entirely greater on an order of magnitude than Jesus Christ. After all Jesus had one human parent--Adam had none.

You are correct.

If Adam is alive today, where is He?

Adam is alive as evidenced in Romans 5:14 ("Nevertheless death reigned fromAdam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude ofAdam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." Notice the present tense verb "is"). The simple answer is that he is with his Father in heaven.