RF Every day sexism

[dgirl1986]

I feel obligated to kind of apologize to the OP about the thread being totally derailed.

 

[Me Myself]

I do not agree with the double standard that seems to exist when it comes to sexist attitudes and behaviour towards men either.

I am not saying you are sexist. I am saying penumbra's claim was sexist (which wouldnt mean penumbra is sexist)

I dont think "they were making me uncomfortable and it had something to do with them being sexually attracted to me" is the same as sexist situation.

As far as I understand, they werent even aware she was listening. They were just talking about what they found sexy. I would assume at least more than 50% of people talk about what they find sexy about other people to other people.

It just so happened this were men, she was a woman, and they didnt know she was there.

Again, we dont know if there is a difference in rights granted. We just know there is a difference in practice, but that is not necesarily the same. If there are more men than women, it is perfectly uderstandable that this happen more to women (unless a big of the population of males were gay or bisexual)

As far as we know for what has been expressed, it doesnt have to do with anyone's rights.

 

[dgirl1986]

I am not saying you are sexist. I am saying penumbra's claim was sexist (which wouldnt mean penumbra is sexist)

I know you werent I was just stating that I recognise there is a double standard.

 

[Penumbra]

I am not saying you are sexist. I am saying penumbra's claim was sexist (which wouldnt mean penumbra is sexist)

I dont think "they were making me uncomfortable and it had something to do with them being sexually attracted to me" is the same as sexist situation.

As far as I understand, they werent even aware she was listening. They were just talking about what they found sexy. I would assume at least more than 50% of people talk about what they find sexy about other people to other people.

It just so happened this were men, she was a woman, and they didnt know she was there.

Again, we dont know if there is a difference in rights granted. We just know there is a difference in practice, but that is not necesarily the same. If there are more men than women, it is perfectly uderstandable that this happen more to women (unless a big of the population of males were gay or bisexual)

As far as we know for what has been expressed, it doesnt have to do with anyone's rights.

Because if a black person enters a new work environment and hears some white people talking about the fact that he is black and begin discussing his race, that's not discrimination. It's not like they knew he could hear them, after all.

I mean, we don't know if the organization has different rights or white people and black people. If there are more white people than black people, it's understandable that this would happen more to black people.

Right?

 

[Me Myself]

No I actually looked into the more drilled down definition of it to reach my conclusion.

I am doing my best but I am not seeing that.

The definition says treating someone different based on sex is sexist.

Unless you want to say heterosexuality is sexist (which would be ironically accurate xD) you cant say much on that light.

I know my female friends rate men. I know their female friends rate men. I have little doubt that in most work enviroments where there were mostly women and a male coworker came in and he was in the age range of said women he would most likely be rated in the sexy-meter by his co-workers sooner rather than later.

The only thing here is that she happened to hear about it. Even that, is not really sexist. Just arguably inappropiate. Easily described as undesirable work enviroment for most or many women.

This of course does not equal sexist.

 

[Me Myself]

Because if a black person enters a new work environment and hears some white people talking about the fact that he is black and begin discussing his race, that's not discrimination. It's not like they knew he could hear them, after all.

I mean, we don't know if the organization has different rights or white people and black people. If there are more white people than black people, it's understandable that this would happen more to black people.

Right?

Simply talking abut him being black? of course it's not discrimination.

If I went to work at US and was the only latino there and I overheard a conversation where they wonder "how latino am I" from one to ten, I wouldnt say that is racism or discrimination unless they were saying things like "latinos are lazy, he wont work" .

Discussing race is not the same as being racist for crying out loud, come on. o.0

 

[Badran]

One of my posts was either lost or deleted, so here goes, take 2:

No post of yours was deleted here.

 

[HiddenDjinn]

Because if a black person enters a new work environment and hears some white people talking about the fact that he is black and begin discussing his race, that's not discrimination. It's not like they knew he could hear them, after all.

I mean, we don't know if the organization has different rights or white people and black people. If there are more white people than black people, it's understandable that this would happen more to black people.

Right?

No,it's not discrimination until a double standard is applied or he is treated differently. Discussing a person's race is not discrimination.

 

[dgirl1986]

I am doing my best but I am not seeing that.

The definition says treating someone different based on sex is sexist.

Unless you want to say heterosexuality is sexist (which would be ironically accurate xD) you cant say much on that light.

I know my female friends rate men. I know their female friends rate men. I have little doubt that in most work enviroments where there were mostly women and a male coworker came in and he was in the age range of said women he would most likely be rated in the sexy-meter by his co-workers sooner rather than later.

The only thing here is that she happened to hear about it. Even that, is not really sexist. Just arguably inappropiate. Easily described as undesirable work enviroment for most or many women.

This of course does not equal sexist.

Try consider it according to gender. The type of comments that were made were because of a specific gender (woman in this case) yes? Those same men would not be making the same comments about the size of a mans package now would they? So i fail to see how the singling out of someone based on their gender (specifically the physical attributes of the gender) is not sexist.

If it is an undesirable work place for most or many women...doesnt that tell you something?

 

[HiddenDjinn]

No post of yours was deleted here.

I was actually leaning towards "lost".

 

[HiddenDjinn]

Try consider it according to gender. The type of comments that were made were because of a specific gender (woman in this case) yes? Those same men would not be making the same comments about the size of a mans package now would they? So i fail to see how the singling out of someone based on their gender (specifically the physical attributes of the gender) is not sexist.

If it is an undesirable work place for most or many women...doesnt that tell you something?

That women impose a double standard regarding office conversation?

 

[dgirl1986]

That women impose a double standard regarding office conversation?

 

[Penumbra]

Simply talking abut him being black? of course it's not discrimination.

If I went to work at US and was the only latino there and I overheard a conversation where they wonder "how latino am I" from one to ten, I wouldnt say that is racism or discrimination unless they were saying things like "latinos are lazy, he wont work" .

Discussing race is not the same as being racist for crying out loud, come on. o.0

No,it's not discrimination until a double standard is applied or he is treated differently. Discussing a person's race is not discrimination.

You don't think that thoroughly discussing someone's race in a professional environment is discriminatory, when they don't do the same for other people? They're clearly viewing the new employee in a different way. Would that make him feel comfortable, and feel as though he's starting on equal footing as everyone else?

Similarly, when guys enter a work place and people don't talk much, or talk about their new professional roles, but then a woman enters the workplace and her breasts are the topic of the day, you don't think that's sexist? She starts off on equal footing as the men in that group, and it's a decent impression of her work environment for her?

 

[Me Myself]

No,it's not discrimination until a double standard is applied or he is treated differently. Discussing a person's race is not discrimination.

Exactly

Try consider it according to gender. The type of comments that were made were because of a specific gender (woman in this case) yes? Those same men would not be making the same comments about the size of a mans package now would they? So i fail to see how the singling out of someone based on their gender (specifically the physical attributes of the gender) is not sexist.

Again, are you considering heterosexuality to be sexist?

People talk about the people they find sexy. If these are all heterosexual men, they will find women to be sexy. It makes sense they talk about it. The same would happen the other way around, maybe a bit less (if any) because men tend to have more testosterone and it is the hormone that is related to sexual desire, so we think more about sex.

It is not sexism until they believe something like "she is a woman, she will do a lousy job here"

 

[dgirl1986]

Exactly



Again, are you considering heterosexuality to be sexist?

People talk about the people they find sexy. If these are all heterosexual men, they will find women to be sexy. It makes sense they talk about it. The same would happen the other way around, maybe a bit less (if any) because men tend to have more testosterone and it is the hormone that is related to sexual desire, so we think more about sex.

It is not sexism until they believe something like "she is a woman, she will do a lousy job here"

I do not see where heterosexuality comes into it.

There is a difference between stating that you find someone attractive and discussing their private parts.

 

[Penumbra]

It is not sexism until they believe something like "she is a woman, she will do a lousy job here"

No, it's more like, "we have new breasts- er I mean a new engineer today".

 

[HiddenDjinn]

I do not see where heterosexuality comes into it.

There is a difference between stating that you find someone attractive and discussing their private parts.

One is simply an elaboration of the other. In essence, there isn't a difference.

 

[Poeticus]

No, it's more like, "we have new breasts- er I mean a new engineer today".

Do they really say that?

 

[Me Myself]

You don't think that thoroughly discussing someone's race in a professional environment is discriminatory, when they don't do the same for other people? They're clearly viewing the new employee in a different way. Would that make him feel comfortable, and feel as though he's starting on equal footing as everyone else?

Similarly, when guys enter a work place and people don't talk much, or talk about their new professional roles, but then a woman enters the workplace and her breasts are the topic of the day, you don't think that's sexist? She starts off on equal footing as the men in that group, and it's a decent impression of her work environment for her?

do you find hereosexuality sexist?

No, throughly discussing someone's race is not even in the slightest racist unless they are making racist remarks. This means unless they are making remarks in which they are making clear they think more or they think less of hir professional attitudes because of hir race.

The problem with gender, is that heterosexual and homosexual people are sexist in their sexual attractions, so they will treat people differently based on their gender when it comes to sexual attraction. Thus, a topic of discussion appears where non would be had if they didnt felt sexually attracted to the new co worker.

It's easy, if they were asexual or homosexual this wouldnt happen. If they were all bisexual, this would happen with all co-workers.

Homosexuality and heterosexuality are sexist inherently (if we take sexism as treating people differently because of their sex ). Which is a bit funny in the context of this discussion.

 

[dgirl1986]

One is simply an elaboration of the other. In essence, there isn't a difference.

There is actually.