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Right to Contraception Act.

Will the Issue of Reproductive Rights affect how you vote?

  • Yes, I want to deny people reproductive right and that will affect my vote

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    29

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
And I see you've provided the usual list of examples ---- that is to say, none at all.

You make a very bad habit out of flinging unevidenced accusations -- much as all MAGA types are doing with their lies about election stealing.
What about my rights to own a fossil fuel burning car? That right is about to be taken away in California. What about the right to freedom of speech and then having to force learn pronouns and PC taboos? What about the right to equal protection under the law? (classified information cases for Biden and Trump). How about freedom from discrimination and DEI and reverse discrimination? What about freedom of the Press and the censored New York Post Story about the HUNTER BIDEN Laptop, and social media, which interfered in an election and allowed the stealing of the Presidency?

There is no right in the Constitution about contraception. All the Rights in the Constitution, apply to all and not to just women, men, or just Lefty fringe groups. Name me any men's right? When something does not apply to all, it is not a right, but an entitlement. I do not believe in entitlements like Nancy Pelosi can insider trade, but you and I are not entitled. Rights apply the same for all.

To show you the pros and cons and how rights work, the right to own guns, does not mean the Government has to provide guns for anyone wishing to practice that right to have a gun. We do not buy poor people guns, who want them, so that can practice this right in dangerous inner cities. All the right does is make an option available to you, but you need to provide/buy your own gun and ammo and be responsible for all negative outcomes. You shoot someone or do property damage consequences apply to you.

If you want a right to contraception, as part of your freedom to pursue happiness, you must buy your own, like a gun, and pay any medical bills for STD"s, abortions, that occur with the sexual freedom. Also expect no more help, than any gun owner gets from the Government. The states can also set stricter standards, than the Fed, like all the legal and age hoops before one can get a gun in Liberal states. The same should apply to contraceptives. It is called fair rights and applies to all.

I will agree to his contraceptive right, as long as you do not expect an entitlement. The word "right" is really a Lefty word game to fool the minions. What you were led to believe and expect is an entitlement, but the word entitlement is less agreeable to the already strapped tax payers, due too many lefty entitlement like free gender bending and credit cards for illegal immigrants. If it was a right ,we would all get free credit cards. But if it is an entitlement. It does not apply to all, even those who pay for those credit cards; tax payers.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
What about my rights to own a fossil fuel burning car? That right is about to be taken away in California.
You believe you should have the right to continue the destruction of earth's atmosphere, which we all must breathe or die, just because "you wanna?" Why not just poison people directly? (By the way, I'm not forgetting that you also want the right to ignore any science that you don't like.)
What about the right to freedom of speech and then having to force learn pronouns and PC taboos?
Nobody is "forcing" you to learn pronouns (although I bet you know them all) or how to be politically correct. You are perfectly free to be as boorish as you like in public. But really, you oughtn't be surprised when people take you to task for not obliging them on such small matters. After all, I'll bet you like being called by the pronouns you prefer, don't you? And who isn't obliging you?

Being politically correct is often as not just about trying to get along, to keep "peace in the family," as it were, because -- though you don't seem to like it -- we're all different. Still, if you're not interested in keeping peace among those around you, why would you be surprised if they do not respond peacefully to you?
What about the right to equal protection under the law? (classified information cases for Biden and Trump).
You have been walked through the differences between those two cases repeatedly. We can show you all the reasons for how they were handled, but we unfortunately can't provide you with the power to understand. No matter how patiently some members have tried with you.
How about freedom from discrimination and DEI and reverse discrimination?
The law cannot force people to obey it. The law forbids all sorts of discrimination, yet folks discriminate -- at about the same rate the run stop signs and break speed limits. DEI and what you are calling "reverse discrimination" is often enough just an attempt to redress some dreadful harms caused by prior discrimination. If you think there are none, then you are blind.
What about freedom of the Press and the censored New York Post Story about the HUNTER BIDEN Laptop, and social media, which interfered in an election and allowed the stealing of the Presidency?
I can find no evidence that anything was censored about this infamous laptop. And you have just claimed that the election was "stolen," and for that you just might want to provide some actual evidence.

By the way, that laptop was just used in Hunter Biden's trial -- and nobody has still seen anything on it that suggests anything like what you say. You are so mired in conspiracy nonsense that you can't even read for yourself -- because it's all available. If I can find it, you can. If you want to. :rolleyes:
There is no right in the Constitution about contraception.
Nor does it say anything about NOT putting a bit of rubber on your willie to prevent becoming a father. Nor any other scheme to prevent parenthood.
All the Rights in the Constitution, apply to all and not to just women, men, or just Lefty fringe groups. Name me any men's right? When something does not apply to all, it is not a right, but an entitlement. I do not believe in entitlements like Nancy Pelosi can insider trade, but you and I are not entitled. Rights apply the same for all.
What specific right do women have that men do not? What specific right do "lefty/fringe groups" have that you do not? Oh, two men can get married! Well, if you want to marry a man, you can, too. Or a woman, you can choose that as well.

Now come on...what actual "rights" do some have that others do not?

And I refuse to deal with a claim like "Nancy Pelosi can insider trade by you and I" can't. I would want to see the accusations, and how law enforcement has reacted to them. If she has broken a law, tell us which law, and why you think no law enforcement body has chosen to investigate.
To show you the pros and cons and how rights work, the right to own guns, does not mean the Government has to provide guns for anyone wishing to practice that right to have a gun. We do not buy poor people guns, who want them, so that can practice this right in dangerous inner cities. All the right does is make an option available to you, but you need to provide/buy your own gun and ammo and be responsible for all negative outcomes. You shoot someone or do property damage consequences apply to you.

If you want a right to contraception, as part of your freedom to pursue happiness, you must buy your own, like a gun, and pay any medical bills for STD"s, abortions, that occur with the sexual freedom. Also expect no more help, than any gun owner gets from the Government. The states can also set stricter standards, than the Fed, like all the legal and age hoops before one can get a gun in Liberal states. The same should apply to contraceptives. It is called fair rights and applies to all.

I will agree to his contraceptive right, as long as you do not expect an entitlement. The word "right" is really a Lefty word game to fool the minions. What you were led to believe and expect is an entitlement, but the word entitlement is less agreeable to the already strapped tax payers, due too many lefty entitlement like free gender bending and credit cards for illegal immigrants. If it was a right ,we would all get free credit cards. But if it is an entitlement. It does not apply to all, even those who pay for those credit cards; tax payers.
That whole last screed was really bizarre. Comparing gun ownership and contraception? Nowhere in all of American history can I find any mention of an "Affordable Gun Act." So I guess if you want a gun, you gotta buy it. But there is an "Affordable Care Act." Congress chose to pass it -- and a Republican Congress chose not to repeal it! If that pays for STDs and abortion, it's because those come under the heading of medical care, and are within the intention of the Act. Don't like it? Get it changed -- if you can. That's what we do in a democracy -- we challenge (civilly) what we don't like and try to turn it to our liking.

Guess what -- it doesn't always work. It's a big country, with lots of opinions and differences. It's easier to get along if you remember that. And you'd be a lot happier person for it, too.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
What about my rights to own a fossil fuel burning car? That right is about to be taken away in California.
Not a right.
What about the right to freedom of speech and then having to force learn pronouns and PC taboos?
Not a right.
What about the right to equal protection under the law? (classified information cases for Biden and Trump). How about freedom from discrimination and DEI and reverse discrimination?
LOL What is "reverse discrimination?"
You mean, not discriminating?
What about freedom of the Press and the censored New York Post Story about the HUNTER BIDEN Laptop, and social media, which interfered in an election and allowed the stealing of the Presidency?

There is no right in the Constitution about contraception. All the Rights in the Constitution, apply to all and not to just women, men, or just Lefty fringe groups. Name me any men's right? When something does not apply to all, it is not a right, but an entitlement. I do not believe in entitlements like Nancy Pelosi can insider trade, but you and I are not entitled. Rights apply the same for all.

To show you the pros and cons and how rights work, the right to own guns, does not mean the Government has to provide guns for anyone wishing to practice that right to have a gun. We do not buy poor people guns, who want them, so that can practice this right in dangerous inner cities. All the right does is make an option available to you, but you need to provide/buy your own gun and ammo and be responsible for all negative outcomes. You shoot someone or do property damage consequences apply to you.

If you want a right to contraception, as part of your freedom to pursue happiness, you must buy your own, like a gun, and pay any medical bills for STD"s, abortions, that occur with the sexual freedom. Also expect no more help, than any gun owner gets from the Government. The states can also set stricter standards, than the Fed, like all the legal and age hoops before one can get a gun in Liberal states. The same should apply to contraceptives. It is called fair rights and applies to all.

I will agree to his contraceptive right, as long as you do not expect an entitlement. The word "right" is really a Lefty word game to fool the minions. What you were led to believe and expect is an entitlement, but the word entitlement is less agreeable to the already strapped tax payers, due too many lefty entitlement like free gender bending and credit cards for illegal immigrants. If it was a right ,we would all get free credit cards. But if it is an entitlement. It does not apply to all, even those who pay for those credit cards; tax payers.
Bodily autonomy is a right that should be afforded to every single person. It's not an entitlement.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That is basically self-centered "materialism", which goes against the Second Noble Truth.
Oh I can adapt to the circumstances brought about by the nanny state but I certainly don't approve of this practice by politicians which should really be addressed if people value their freedoms and liberties.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member

This was an attempt to protect the rights of U.S. citizens from being taken away. It failed. But it is not over. This bill will come back in one form or another. If Republicans gain power in Congress American people might find themselves fighting to keep their more and more of their reproductive rights, not just abortion, but also ivf and contraception. If the Democrats gain power bills like this to protect rights are more likely to become law.
The poll is obviously written slanted towards one perspective. But I am for women to have the right to contraception.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
The poll is obviously written slanted towards one perspective.
Most of the polls on RF don't really mean anything, at best they promote the conversation a little bit. This poll I actually think is better than most, it is clear, it has gotten a good number of votes (as far as RF goes) and most importantly it closely reflects how most people actually feel about this issue.

But I am for women to have the right to contraception.
Strange, are you also for men to have the right to contraception? Or did that not question not occur to you for some reason? Do you think contraception is the woman's responsibility? Is that why you specify "women"?

Why would anyone vote against the right to have contraception for people? Why would anyone object to this bill?
 
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metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
Most of the polls on RF don't really mean anything, at best they promote the conversation a little bit. This poll I actually think is better than most, it is clear, it has gotten a good number of votes (as far as RF goes) and most importantly it closely reflects how most people actually feel about this issue.
OK
Strange, are you also for men to have the right to contraception? Or did that not question not occur to you for some reason? Do you think contraception is the woman's responsibility? Is that why you specify "women"?
I am for anyone that wants to purchase and use contraceptive devices, but it is woman who get pregnant and who it is for.
Why would anyone vote against the right to have contraception for people? Why would anyone object to this bill?
Don't know, please ask them.
 
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