RNA Editing of Octopus Linked to Alien Life!

[shunyadragon]

Wow. 37 is prime and is a factor of 111 with a quotient of 3. Not exactly a solid foundation for concluding the existence of aliens.

And if you did things base 9, 7 and 13 would be your key numbers.

Rank numerology.

This reflects those playing with numbers and hypothetical 'arguing from ignorance,' and not doing the hard good disciplined science.

 

[exchemist]

The WOW! signal of the terrestrial genetic code is additional evidence along with RNA editing ability of octopuses that support panspermia theory. Anyways, let's return to discussing the apparent extraterrestrial origin of octopuses if you'd like.

The late zoologist Martin Wells said the octopus is alien. "In this sense, our paper, then, describes the first sequenced genome of an alien." Scientists sequenced the genome of the two spot California octopus in a study that was published in 2015 in the scientific peer reviewed journal of Nature.

Reference: The octopus genome and the evolution of cephalopod neural and morphological novelties

From the context, it is obvious (to anyone without a monomoniac obsession with aliens) that Ragsdale, who attributed this remark to Wells in spite of there apparently being no documentary evidence for it, was obviously speaking figuratively, not literally.

I have skimmed the paper you helpfully linked to. It contains no statements at all about the octopus being alien.

The most interesting thing, I thought, is that they estimate from the DNA work that squid and octopus lineages diverged as long ago as 270 million years ago. That would have been right back in the Paleozoic, towards the end of the Permian. So they may have diverged before the Great Dying that is thought to have exterminated all but 5% of marine species.

 

[Salvador]

Wow. 37 is prime and is a factor of 111 with a quotient of 3. Not exactly a solid foundation for concluding the existence of aliens.

And if you did things base 9, 7 and 13 would be your key numbers.

Rank numerology.

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing

http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Seems that octopuses fall into the vast bucket called ''things we don't fully understand" and the theory on their alien origins falls into that called "pure conjecture".

 

[Salvador]

Seems that octopuses fall into the vast bucket called ''things we don't fully understand" and the theory on their alien origins falls into that called "pure conjecture".

Octopuses, as well as we ourselves are of extraterrestrial origin, as evident by the fact that extraterrestrial intelligence has left its mark in our genetic code by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37 Hence, the numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s)with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.

Exactly who/what left its/their mark in our genetic coding might not ever get determined by anybody presently bound to Earth. The search for our cosmic relatives and cosmic common ancestor likely then needs to be done with advanced space exploration. I'd like to urge you then to please advise our Senate, Congress and President to expand our tax-payer funded resources for advance space exploration

 

[Salvador]

Is this a typo?

Because you saying it like that makes it seem like you REALLY want to believe that we were created by aliens.

I don't think we were created by aliens, I just happen to know our genetic code was invented beyond Earth and delivered through space to our planet

 

[shunyadragon]

Seems that octopuses fall into the vast bucket called ''things we don't fully understand" and the theory on their alien origins falls into that called "pure conjecture".

Don't be confused with the numerology. Take away the 'blue smoke and mirrors,' and octopuses are well enough understood in the river life and evolution.

Yes, extraterrestrial life and alien origins beyond our solar system is at present purely conjectural.

 

[shunyadragon]

I don't think we were created by aliens, I just happen to know our genetic code was invented beyond Earth and delivered through space to our planet

'Invented?' that smacks of the phony 'Intelligent Design pseudoscience. Sounds like a plot for a 1950's science movie,

 

[Salvador]

From the context, it is obvious (to anyone without a monomoniac obsession with aliens) that Ragsdale, who attributed this remark to Wells in spite of there apparently being no documentary evidence for it, was obviously speaking figuratively, not literally.

I have skimmed the paper you helpfully linked to. It contains no statements at all about the octopus being alien.

The most interesting thing, I thought, is that they estimate from the DNA work that squid and octopus lineages diverged as long ago as 270 million years ago. That would have been right back in the Paleozoic, towards the end of the Permian. So they may have diverged before the Great Dying that is thought to have exterminated all but 5% of marine species.

Octopuses evidently have hundreds of non-ancestral specie genes. Since these genes didn't likely come from terrestrial evolution, then they must have likely came from some sort of panspermia related mechanism. Right?

 

[shunyadragon]

Octopuses evidently have hundreds of non-ancestral specie genes. Since these genes didn't likely come from terrestrial evolution, then they must have likely came from some sort of panspermia related mechanism. Right?

It was previously cited that:

RNA insertion from bacteria and viruses is well known and can explain other 'sources, and the known ability of these organisms to edit there own DNA.'

The RNA from extinct viruses of the time maybe the origin of what you are describing a non-ancestral specie genes.

There is absolutely not the remotest evidence of anything extraterrestrial found one earth intelligent nor otherwise.

 

[Salvador]

'Invented?' that smacks of the phony 'Intelligent Design pseudoscience.

Intelligent design (ID) and directed panspermia (DP) both argue the same point; life on Earth is the result of intelligent design of some sort. However, DP leaves open the possibility that the designers/deliverers of life could be very much like ourselves. Of course, many creationists fault us subscribers of panspermia for failing to address the issue of precisely where and exactly how life originated in our universe. Since this issue is currently unknowable to anybody presently bound to Earth, then this should now be of little concern for anybody.

 

[Salvador]

It was previously cited that:

RNA insertion from bacteria and viruses is well known and can explain other 'sources, and the known ability of these organisms to edit there own DNA.'

The RNA from extinct viruses of the time maybe the origin of what you are describing a non-ancestral specie genes.

There is absolutely not the remotest evidence of anything extraterrestrial found one earth intelligent nor otherwise.

"This is a virtual qualitative jump in molecular genetic strategy in a supposed smooth and incremental evolutionary lineage - a type of sudden “great leap forward”. Unless all the new genes expressed in the squid/octopus lineages arose from simple mutations of existing genes in either the squid or in other organisms sharing the same habitat, there is surely no way by which this large qualitative transition in A-to-I mRNA editing can be explained by conventional neo-Darwinian processes, even if horizontal gene transfer is allowed. One plausible explanation, in our view, is that the new genes are likely new extraterrestrial imports to Earth - most plausibly as an already coherent group of functioning genes within (say) cryopreserved and matrix protected fertilized Octopus eggs."

Reference: A group of 33 scientists and authors, who've authored the journal article "Cause of Cambrian Explosion - Terrestrial or Cosmic" published in the March issue of the scientific peer-reviewed journal "Progress in Biophysics and Molecular Biology

 

[shunyadragon]

Intelligent design (ID) and directed panspermia (DP) both argue the same point; life on Earth is the result of intelligent design of some sort. However, DP leaves open the possibility that the designers/deliverers of life could be very much like ourselves. Of course, many creationists fault us subscribers of panspermia for failing to address the issue of precisely where and exactly how life originated in our universe. Since this issue is currently unknowable to anybody presently bound to Earth, then this should now be of little concern for anybody.

Your faced with the same two-fold problem as Creationist: (1) Origin of life and evolution have a probable natural explanation here on earth, and the possibility of amino acids from meteorites from within our solar system. (2) There is absolutely no, nada, ziltch, negatory evidence of origins outside earth and our solar system; Divine nor extraterrestrial. (3) The 'appeal to Ignorance' is a common fallacy both creationists and panspermists share that weakens your argument.

 

[Salvador]

There is absolutely not the remotest evidence of anything extraterrestrial found one earth intelligent nor otherwise.

"Coloured scanning electron micrograph (SEM) of Janibacter hoylei, Gram-positive, stratosphere bacterium (prokaryote). In 2009 Indian scientists launched a high altitude balloon to sample the stratosphere. The experiment detected 12 bacterial and six fungal colonies, nine of which showed greater than 98 percent similarity with known species on earth. However, 3 bacterial colonies were totally new species. One bacterium, identified as a member of the genus Janibacter, was name Janibacter hoylei after the distinguished astrophysicist Fred Hoyle. All 3 bacteria were highly resistant to ultra-violet radiation (enough to kill most organisms) and are not found on earth. The stratosphere is the second major layer of Earth's atmosphere, just above the troposphere, and below the mesosphere. he stratosphere is situated between about 6 miles and 31 miles altitude above the surface at moderate latitudes. Magnification: x3,465 when shortest axis printed at..."
https://www.sciencephoto.com/media/79858...aryote-sem

Hmmm?.... Something really seems suspicious here; these species are readily found by a high altitude balloon no lower than 24km above the Earth's surface, but there aren't any microbes matching within 98 percent of their DNA found subsisting on Earth? So then these species should at least be considered as possibly being extraterrestrial. Of course, with further scientific investigations of their origin pending.

Of course, there is also the well-documented evidence of alien drones with manueverability capabilities beyond any aircraft launched from Earth.

Reference: USS Nimitz UFO incident - Wikipedia

 

[shunyadragon]

"Coloured scanning electron micrograph (SEM) of Janibacter hoylei, Gram-positive, stratosphere bacterium (prokaryote). In 2009 Indian scientists launched a high altitude balloon to sample the stratosphere. The experiment detected 12 bacterial and six fungal colonies, nine of which showed greater than 98 percent similarity with known species on earth. However, 3 bacterial colonies were totally new species. One bacterium, identified as a member of the genus Janibacter, was name Janibacter hoylei after the distinguished astrophysicist Fred Hoyle. All 3 bacteria were highly resistant to ultra-violet radiation (enough to kill most organisms) and are not found on earth. The stratosphere is the second major layer of Earth's atmosphere, just above the troposphere, and below the mesosphere. he stratosphere is situated between about 6 miles and 31 miles altitude above the surface at moderate latitudes. Magnification: x3,465 when shortest axis printed at..."
https://www.sciencephoto.com/media/79858...aryote-sem

Hmmm?.... Something really seems suspicious here; these species are readily found by a high altitude balloon no lower than 24km above the Earth's surface, but there aren't any microbes matching within 98 percent of their DNA found subsisting on Earth? So then these species should at least be considered as possibly being extraterrestrial. Of course, with further scientific investigations of their origin pending.

Nothing suspicious here that genetically these species are not genetically of terrestrial origin. The possibility of being extraterrestrial must be demonstrated by objective verifiable evidence and not conjecture.

UFOs remain UFOs with absolutely nothing documented by objective verifiable evidence, especially alien technology, from outside our solar system.

 

[Nigel Hoath]

Hmmm?.... Something really seems suspicious here; these species are readily found by a high altitude balloon no lower than 24km above the Earth's surface, but there aren't any microbes matching within 98 percent of their DNA found subsisting on Earth?

But to put that into context you would have to estimate the amount of life we have actually closely studied. If there have been 5 billion forms of life (happy to be corrected if that is way out) and 99% are extinct, are the missing links hidden in that group? Or possible hidden in the 50 million surviving life forms

It seems to me that missing links have always been found in the above group and never to have been sourced from outside earth, let alone the solar system.

Of course, there is also the well-documented evidence of alien drones with manueverability capabilities beyond any aircraft launched from Earth.

For many years of my early life I really wanted just one sighting to be related to a non earthly origin. Sadly even what seemed the very best examples were eventually explained. One always hoped among all the hoaxes that hidden in there was a real encounter of the first kind, let alone 2nd or 3rd kind. It never happened.

And in more recent years I have studied the "Fermi paradox" and can easily see why, even with a universe teeming with life, we do not get to interact with the aliens. (happy to discuss the logic if you're interested).

I'm an optimist and thus will cling to the hope (billions to one) that some sign (not an interaction) of something alive out there may be found in my life time. But I'm not holding my breath

 

[exchemist]

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing

http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties

NeuroQuantology - Wikipedia

I quote: " In the Norwegian Register for Scientific Journals, Series and Publishers, NeuroQuantology has been listed as "Level 0" since 2008,[4] which means that it is not considered scientific and publications in the journal therefore do not fulfill the necessary criteria in order to count for public research funding.

Neither the Editorial Board nor Advisory Board at NeuroQuantology contains scientists working in the fields of quantum physics or neurology.[5]"

So a ballocks factory, it seems.

 

[exchemist]

Octopuses evidently have hundreds of non-ancestral specie genes. Since these genes didn't likely come from terrestrial evolution, then they must have likely came from some sort of panspermia related mechanism. Right?

Wrong. These genes almost certainly DID come from terrestrial evolution. We just do not yet have an explanation for how they arose.

You make the same error as IDers. You in effect demand that everything be fully explained, all at once. If it is not and we have gaps in our current knowledge, you, just like the IDers, seize on unsubstantiated fictions to provide an instant pseudo-explanation, to fill in the gaps.

This is just not a scientific way to proceed.

 

[Polymath257]

"Numerous arithmetical regularities of nucleon numbers of canonical amino acids for quite different systematizations of the genetic code, which are dominantly based on decimal number 037, indicate the hidden existence of a more universal ordering principle. Mathematical analysis of number 037 reveals that it is a unique decimal number from which an infinite set of self-similar numbers can be derived with the nested numerical, geometrical, and arithmetical properties, thus enabling the nested coding and computing in the (bio)systems by geometry and resonance. The omnipresent fractal structural and dynamical organization, as well as the intertwining of quantum and classical realm in the physical and biological systems could be just the consequence of such coding and computing."

Reference: NeuroQuantology | December 2011 | Vol 9 | Issue 4 | Page 702-715 Masic, Natasa Nested Properties of shCherbak’s PQ 037 and (Biological) Coding/Computing Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Propertiesof shCherbak’s Prime Quantum 037 as a Base of (Biological) Coding/Computing

http://Nested Numeric/Geometric/Arithmetic Properties

All those claims require doing calculations base 10. if you choose another base, then it is a different number that does these things. Again, this is numerology at its worst.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

All that aside, I must admit that I'll probably avoid grilled octopus for a while.